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Ok, so this Author’s quill and ink can only change the past that it created and A&E have confirmed that Isaac did not write Rumple & Bae’s earlier story. For me that says that there’s still hope for the future. If the quill and ink used to originally write Rumple & Bae’s past still exists somewhere, surely they can be used again to change Rumple & Bae’s past.
I love your eternal beacon of hope. <3
LOL Slurpeez! 🙂 I will never give up on NealFire. 🙂 There’s a quill and inkwell out there somewhere. I just hope that they don’t create yet another rule that states only the original quill & ink’s author can use them. And, if the latter is the case, that they don’t show us he/she is now deceased.
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Ok, so this Author’s quill and ink can only change the past that it created and A&E have confirmed that Isaac did not write Rumple & Bae’s earlier story. For me that says that there’s still hope for the future. If the quill and ink used to originally write Rumple & Bae’s past still exists somewhere, surely they can be used again to change Rumple & Bae’s past.
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I’m hoping that the reasons why the press release for the finale showed guest appearances as TBA is because they wanted to surprise us with Dylan Schmid. No reason why they can’t show a flashback of Rumple’s new ‘fake’ memories of what happened with Bae. Bae can also be older than 14 in Rumple’s new memories. Wishful thinking but I’ll be wishing on a star over the next two nights. 🙂
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Crack theory: With Henry having to give the heroes a happy ending to undo the book, but with Snow and Charming too evil in this AU, Henry is going to focus on giving Regina her happy ending. In other words, Henry is going to work to get OQ together in this AU.
If with you on this theory POM. Just as in S1, he had to convince Emma that the book was real and that everyone was EF characters, he will now have to convince Reggie that the Heroes & Villains book is real, and that everyone was once SB characters. No TLK though to break the curse, this time it will be OQ’s HE. 🙂
On an even crackier note, knowing how much A&E love their nods to famous movies, wouldn’t it be a scream to see Reggie crash Zelena & Robin’s wedding and pull a scene off like in The Graduate? Reggie screaming out NO!!! from the back of the chapel; Robin leaves Zelena at the alter; and then Reggie & Robin make their escape just before the last bell tolls at sunset. Here’s to you, Mrs. Robinson! 🙂
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Yeah I sorta wished they had saved that title for now
According to an old interview, it turns out that they named that episode after a Beach Boys song. However, they do say it’s a descriptor for the second half of the Season:
Is heroes vs. villains a fair descriptor for the second half of the season? KITSIS: Absolutely. That is the title of episode 11. HOROWITZ: It’s “Heroes and Villains.” KITSIS: That’s actually named after the Beach Boys song.
There’s also a biography out there called Heroes & Villains: The True Story of the Beach Boys, written by Steven Gaines.
The Beach Boys founded their group back in 1961, the same year that Joseph Heller published his book, Catch 22. Love that 1961 them year and hope that’s the exact same year that we’re seeing in the spoilers. Not sure if this has been mentioned but Joe Heller’s father’s name was Joseph ISAAC Heller thus further cementing everyone’s thoughts that Isaac is indeed a nod to Joe Heller.
A&E do love their music and The Beach Boys. In the season 3 finale of LOST, Through the Looking Glass, Charlie enters the musical code to the notes of Good Vibrations by The Beach Boys so they can start sending & receiving transmissions. That’s the episode that Lana Parrilla guest starred in as well and where poor Charlie died. 🙁
It’s funny how Charlie was sort of Desmond’s ‘catch 22’ in LOST. In the S3 episode of the same name, Desmond needed Charlie alive to help him find the parachutist but if he brings Charlie along on the search, his flashes show him Charlie will die, thus not being able to help him find the parachutist. A true paradox.
I look at Henry like OUATS catch 22. I’m thinking that Isaac was not able to rewrite his story because he was not an actual Enchanted Forest character as he was born in the real world. So, while Isaac could change events in regards to Emma & Nealfire, such as never having met & conceiving a child, he could never erase Henry from the story because he came from the real world, thus the paradox/catch 22.
Anyway, I’m just rambling on here. Happy though that they have given us a story to ponder over and wonder out loud about. 🙂
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That’s the interview I mentioned in another thread. I wonder if we are going to see SB under water in the opening scene. 🙂 Flashsideways are always so much fun. 🙂
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Seems like Isaac & Rumple did finish the book, Isaac returns to 1961 as a successful author with his new bestseller, but gets sucked back into the EF for the last chapter, via something Henry does. Interesting that the book doesn’t become canon until the last chapter physically plays out.
Yes, that’s exactly what it looks like. Shady Author, though. There are two things he says that seem interesting. First, I wonder what he means when he says that the book “worked out quite nicely” for him. Is this just about getting on the New York Times Bestseller list or signing a book deal? Or is something more profound involved? And then, if giving a hero a HE destroys the book (i.e. the book has to remain “exactly how he wrote it” or not at all) then why wasn’t the original story destroyed as soon as Isaac started tweaking? I wonder what makes this one different. The business with the bells is a common fairytale trope — X must happen before the bell tolls, or else. Or, if by the time the bell tolls, X doesn’t happen, things remain as they are forever (usually cursed).
All Isaac really wanted was to be considered one of the greats. He mentions Hemingway when speaking with Cruella’s mother. When Cruella found him at Rumple’s cabin, he was reading Fitzgerald’s The Great Gatsby and Cruella said: “Don’t bother studying the greats, you’ll never be one of them.” That’s his archilles heel, he wants fame & recognition for his writing.
The original book can’t be destroyed until the writing has physically played out. Think of it as a play. Also, this new book is a flashsideways world. Another existence based on alternate what ifs. In another interview, A&E said that the opening scene of this finale will have the most LOST like sequence yet. In LOST, we saw the Island underwater. which signified the flashsideways. It’s only an alternate and not the reality until the last bell tolls so the original story can’t be wiped out until this happens.
Yes, bells have been used in fairy tales before, but giving the significance of Isaac motives, that is, he wants to be another Hemingway, and knowing how much A&E love to use literary nods, I automatically thought of Hemingways’ For Whom the Bell Tolls and Isaac would certainly quote the greats. 🙂 What the title also means is that what impacts one, impacts all mankind; the death of the original story affects them all. Those iconic literary nods and how they fit into the storyline is just one of the many things I love about this show. 🙂
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Seems like Isaac & Rumple did finish the book, Isaac returns to 1961 as a successful author with his new bestseller, but gets sucked back into the EF for the last chapter, via something Henry does. Interesting that the book doesn’t become canon until the last chapter physically plays out. This reminds me of the A Christmas Carol and the Ghost of Christmas Yet to Come. The Ghost shows Scrooge his future and his tombstone. Scrooge vows to change in the hopes that he can sponge the writing on his tombstone and succeeds. If Henry can get one HE for the heroes before the bells toll then the book is undone.
Love the nod to Hemingway’s For Whom the Bell Tolls when Isaac talks about the last tolling of the bells at sunset. We saw the nods to Hemingway & Fitzgerald back in Sympathy for De Vil and we know that they are exactly who Isaac aspires to be.
If Rumple has light magic I wonder if we are now going to see a real Sneaky/Shady Blue Fairy. 🙂
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Worth a listen on its own – a beautiful acoustic piece, and the singer’s voice is a bit reminiscent of Johnny Cash.What a great song and he really does sound like a younger version of Johnny Cash. 🙂
It’s nice listening to everyone’s songs and seeing how our music relates to the show’s characters.
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Guest stars TBA. That’s odd. Why not tell us now?
Maybe because it’s meant to be a surprise. Maybe we’ll be seeing some unexpected guest stars like Sebastian Stan, Dylan Schmidt, or even Jamie Dornan? *crossing fingers*
I’m more inclined to think it’s probably because the guest cast list is so huge, not necessarily because it’s surprising. We know a few people: Blue, Mal, Lily, Zelena, August….
Maybe because they are bringing in MRJ! 🙂 🙂 🙂
I know it’s only wishful thinking but do be kind and don’t squash my hopes by being a voice of reason that provides me with logic. Let me live my dream until Sunday. 🙂
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