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Would it surprise anyone to know that J.M. Barrie based the name Neverland on a play that came out in 1902 called The Never Never Land, written by Wilson Barrett.
As well, isn’t Barrett suppose to be in episode 2×11? They are currently filming episode 2×14. Ethan flew out on December 10th and returned on the 12th. So I don’t know.
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I know I keep going on about this but if Kitsis and Horowitz have stated that Blue is good and only wishes to to good then I’ve got to believe what they’ve said. They weren’t ambiguous about it. They made it perfectly clear she is good and only does good.
Who knows why she didn’t offer up other methods to Rumple in order to follow Bae. Let’s be clear about it. Rumple let go of his child’s hand. Doesn’t matter if he regretted it after the fact. He still chose his power of Bae. Maybe there weren’t any other methods around back then. Maybe the wardrobe is something Blue developed centuries later just as Rumple developed the curse many centuries later.
She didn’t lie to the council about only one person being able to go through the wardrobe. Gepetto had already betrayed everyone by forcing her to agree to allow Pino to go. Thus, she spoke the truth to the council as only one could go through the wardrobe. She just didn’t divulge the deal she made with Gepetto. Why would she? It would only cause further dissension among everyone when what they needed to do was come together.
So, going on the fact that the creators/writers have ruled out Blue possibly being bad, the only way she could betray everyone is if it was Cora, impersonating Blue OR if there was magic big enough to possess Blue such as taking her heart.
I think maybe Cora is impersonating Reggie. Funny how, in the one scene, we see Reggie’s eyes go all possessed like just before she confronts Emma. Maybe that’s why everyone thinks Reggie is guilty of murder. Maybe they all witness Cora, impersonating Reggie, murder Archie (presuming it’s Archie of course.
Back to Gepetto. He betrayed them all once with forcing Blue to allow Pino to go. I can see him doing it again. He was, after all, part of the council sitting at the round table. So he’s somewhat important when it comes to operations.
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@Gigi wrote:
Still, that’s a dangerous move, this show keeps killing it characters, but these characters are not normal fiction, they’re the classic, many children childhoods including mine. I was somehow piss off when they killed Gus Gus, I love that chubby mouse so much when I watched Cinderella since I was a kid. Now they gonna killed Jiminy cricket too? That’s pretty much a lot to take in. This show is based on fairytales From Disney, which is famous for happy endings, dream, hope, happy stuffs,etc.. They are taking this to the Lost style and it’s pretty much not work out very well in my opinion ๐ก
The show isn’t just based on Disney fairy tale characters. That’s a common misconception. It is based on ALL story book characters. Be it from fairy tales, folk lore, mythology, modern tales, etc. That’s why we see Lancelot, Lady of the Lake, King Midas, Dr. Frankenstein, etc.
Kitsis and Horowitz made a point of saying the reason they killed off Graham was to show everyone how serious the curse is. I do believe they also need to show how serious Cora and Hook are.
I liked Archie and it would be a shame to see him go, but other than being the town psychiatrist, he really isn’t needed. August’s character has been sort of shown to the door (rumour has it Eion Bailey didn’t get on well with the rest of the staff) so no need for Jiminy to be his conscience anymore. No August, no more need for Marco either. Seems to me Archie & Marco are expendable.
As Marilou said earlier, time to trim the fat.
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@Marilou wrote:
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
This would also fit into the spoiler a while back about about someone close to the Charmings betraying them. If it were Archie who was kille, Marco, would be angry because of AWB being turned back to wood (resentful towards Blue) and angry about his best friend being killed (thus feeling Charming & Co. can’t protect them). Perhaps this set Marco up to betray everyone close to him
that makes so much sense!
Thanks Marilou ๐ Maybe one day we’ll get together, over a nice glass of french wine, and share theories. That would be so much fun! However, many of our theories have been similar, like the Frankie theory ๐
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@AntBee wrote:
@Hellraiser-89 wrote:
My money’s on Archie dying. If Cora finds out about him helping Regina, she would def stop that.
There was this spoiler from yesterday from Spoiler TV that points to either Pongo or Archie being the “death”, and both would fit the description of beloved fairy tale character. I still think it will be Archie, even though I’m not sure he’ll actually die, because I can’t see them killing off a dog because of the complaints that it would get.
Plus, on the show, if Pongo were murdered, I don’t know why the other characters would think that Regina would have to be the one behind it since she may be a lot of things: rapist; murderer of children, her own father, etc.; abusive mom, but there’s no reason for her to kill a dog. On the other hand, if it’s Archie that dies, or it seems like he’s dead, I could see people believing that they had some kind of fall out from their therapy sessions, and Regina returned to her old ways again.
There’s another reason why I don’t think it’s Pongo that dies, and that’s because I know several weeks ago there was the spoiler about Pongo being seen on the set and barking. I forget whether Archie was in those scenes or not though. It’s possible that Pongo alerts Emma and the others that something is wrong and that’s how they find that Archie was “murdered” at the beginning of the episode and that’s why Pongo is being given a title card.
Well, Archie would make sense to me because Cora would want the goods on Reggie and doubtful that Archie, now fully Jiminy, would ever divulge that information to Cora.
This would also fit into the spoiler a while back about about someone close to the Charmings betraying them. If it were Archie who was kille, Marco, would be angry because of AWB being turned back to wood (resentful towards Blue) and angry about his best friend being killed (thus feeling Charming & Co. can’t protect them). Perhaps this set Marco up to betray everyone close to him
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@slurpeez108 wrote:
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
So again, we are left to wonder if #6 if referring to a wish, wishes, vow or vows. Probably not important, but I will point out that we do have nuns, that are important to the story line, like Blue as an example, who have taken a vows or Regina who after being captured, possibly vowed to get even. So for me, I’m very curious as to which meaning of the word “voeux” they are referring to.
I’ll put my money on “my vows” since it fits in with a nutty theory of mine. There was a spoiler that Captain Hook falls in with a righteous crowd. What if Cora turns Killian into a nun so that he must take his vows upon entering the convent?! ๐ฎ
LOL Slurpeez! That would be so funny! ๐ The show could use a little humour. I don’t think I’ve laughed at anything since Snow went after the wee critters in the dwarfs cottage. ๐
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I love how you say that as if I wasn’t french myself ๐ I’m a montreal all the way, through and through. born and raised on Le Plateau. (si tu vien pas de mon coin de pays, la derniere phrase a perdue toute sa valeur…)
Marilou, I never implied any such thing. I think it was the other way around. You implied that I didn’t understand the definitions of the word voeu/voeux thus me explaining that I am francophone, fully fluent in my mother tongue and that I do, in fact, understand the two definitions of the word voeu/voeux. Gosh, I’ve worked for the Federal Government for over a decade as a translator and also handled the bilingual testing. It is my area of expertise. One doesn’t need to be living in the neighbourhood of Le Plateau to be considered francophone.
as I was trying to make the matter simpler for our english speaking friend I think I made it worst… something got lost in translation I guess (badum tssss!!!)
and I have to disagree in some context, some words are always plural… Like “voeux de mariage”
Yes, marriage vows is plural however a vow of chastity (un vลu de chastetรฉ) is singular.
anyhoot, we’ll find out for sure only when the episode airs.!
Whether it turns out to vow/vows or wish/wishes, it still doesn’t change the fact that they used a singular possessive adjective with a plural word. Just saying…….
EDIT: btw… I don’t know if I read that right in your previous post, if I didn’t, please ignore the following few sentences.
there is no such thing as masculine/plural with a possessive adjective! mon chevaux – mon jouets – mon livres[/quote]
Mes knows no gender: ma robe (sing/fem) becomes mes robes (plur/fem) just as mon ballon (sing/masc) becomes mes ballons (sing/masc). Mes is always the plural possessive adjective for both fem/masc. However, chevaux, jouets and livres are all masc/plurals and require “mes” as their adjective and not “mon” ex., mon cheval/mes chevaux, mon jouet/mes jouets, mon livre/mes livres. Which is what I said all along about #6 incorrectly being “mon voeux” instead of “mes voeux” or “mon voeu”.
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@Midnight Dreary wrote:
Vows? I wonder who’s taking vows? Snow and Charming are in desperate needs for a marriage license. So, that could be cool
Snow and Charming were always married. The so called marriage between him and Kathryn was the lie. Never happened as David was in a coma the whole 28 years, It was just a false memory input into his and Kathryn’s thoughts courtesy of Reggie.
A wedding would be cool though ๐ Maybe they can renew their vows aboard the Jolly Roger and Hook can officiate as he is a sea Captain. ๐
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Marilou, I am francophone and fluent in both french and English. French is my mother tongue so I’m well versed in the language. The french have 3 different words for the same adjective “my”: mon, ma, mes. All are a possessive adjective of the 1st person. Mon is used when it’s singular masculine; ma is used when it’s singular feminine; and mes is used when it’s plural either masculine or feminine. The use of any of the three possessive adjectives will never change the definition of a word, it will only reflect the sing/plural & masc/fem. of the word it is attributed to.
Words ending with “eu” are singular. An X added at the end means it is now plural. Thus “voeux” being used as a masculine/plural.
So, we have a grammatically incorrect sentence as we have “mon” (singular adjective) voeuX (plural). What we should be seeing is either “mon voeu” (my wish or my vow) or “mes voeux” (my wishes or my vows).
Voeu/voeux most certainly can mean either wish/wishes or vow/vows. Definition of the word does not change regardless of the possessive adjective attributed to it based on it being either singular or plural.
So again, we are left to wonder if #6 if referring to a wish, wishes, vow or vows. Probably not important, but I will point out that we do have nuns, that are important to the story line, like Blue as an example, who have taken a vows or Regina who after being captured, possibly vowed to get even. So for me, I’m very curious as to which meaning of the word “voeux” they are referring to.
Giancarlo Esposito (Sydney Glass) was busy with JJ Abrams’ show Revolution but it is my understanding that the show has been cancelled so I’m hoping we’ll see him again on OUAT. However, considering how many they have currently demoted from “regular” to “recurring”, there’s tons of fat for trimming.
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@Phee wrote:
So he’s gonna run from her huh? Can’t say I’m really surprised, considering he probably would have gone to SB instantly if he was eager to see her.
Exactly what Jane Espenson was hinting at in one of her tweets. Said something to the effect that if he knows the curse is broken, then why hasn’t he shown up in SB and does he even want to go to SB?
Hmmmm………….wonder what has happened or changed to make him run like a scared rabbit? (had to throw that in for all the White Rabbit Theory fans) OR is his fear of having anything to do with Daddy Dearest greater than his desire to see Emma?
Going to be a long couple of months!
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