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@fairy dust wrote:
Actually I was a Frankenstein believer before I ever knew about this forum or your theory…but you guys did a good job on your post. I am going 110% with Jack the Ripper…this is Dr. Frankenstein altar ego…Dr. Frankenstein takes dismembered body parts and creates life…”John Doe Ripper” dismembers bodies to end life. I am going on record though and saying I am not a fan of this inclusion….whoever committed those murders was horribly brutal. I remember a statement that David Andres made…I will not repeat it but it was particularly distasteful in my opinion…his statement had the word hound in it. The phrase he used is slang for a particular action on a woman’s private area that causes ripnping and tearing. “Jack…John Doe Ripper was particularly brutal and mutilation of this area of a woman’s body. The phrase is a perfect fit. I have no doubt about his being the Ripper …and I for one.am a disappointed Oncer. Probably one of the best indications that he is the Ripper was the preview…they showed to much of the story. When they do that you can be certain that there is another unexpected twist. Actually the entire “who is Dr. Whale” tease is a nod to the Ripper….as that is what everyone was saying when he was killing…”who is this man…”
I’m aware of David Anders’ tweet and let’s face it, that’s just how Anders talks, in private tweets & in interviews about his movies. However, it all relates to Dr. Frank N. Furter, the notorious lech from Rocky Horror Picture Show. Same goes with the unidentified blond/blonde patient in the hospital, that we read about in Archie’s diary. First the patient is shown as blond, indicating a male then it’s changed to a blonde indicating a female. Another nod to Rocky Horror Picture Show as the monster there, named Rocky, was a transvestite. ***just edited this to add that Rocky was also very blond.*** So it just further substantiates that the Anders tweet was all about him being a lecherous womanizer like Frank N. Furter who was a womanizing hound.
Again, that tweet was meant as a clue to identify him as someone who was sexually active & fond of sexual encounters and yes, a woman’s private area. How you could interpret it to mean something so awful like ripping, tearing & mutilation, is beyond my realm of understanding. Way too dark for my personal liking and I’m sure way too dark for Kitsis & Horowitz’ as well.
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@Phee wrote:
Killing her was extreme and uncalled for, no doubt about it, murder is never ever an acceptable option. I can’t write him off for it though, coz I had me some dark thoughts after my husband left, and had I have had me some dark, magical powers to go along with my heartbreak, chances are I’d have used ’em to lay the smackdown. 😛 Luckily, I’m not cursed to be the Dark One, and am a pacifist, so have no murderous deeds on my conscience, but I can see why Rumple lashed out like he did in the heat of that moment.
ROFLOL Phee! I love the rest of your post but this part just cracks me up! Your honesty is so refreshing and I know MANY of us have been down to those dark trenches at some point of our lives.
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@slurpeez108 wrote:
After watching 2×4, The Crocodile, we know Captain Hook followed a magical bean, which opened an underwater vortex to Neverland. The title for 2×7 is Into the Deep, and I think it may refer to the crew’s journey to Neverland and what happened after Hook’s ship pulled into port there.
Maybe we’ll meet a certain mermaid. I could see the writers easily blending the mermaids of Neverland with The Little Mermaid fairy-tale.
I think that fits in well with the story line. Would like to see the two paired together!
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Also, I wonder if Baelfire’s bean led him to Neverland, so that he became Peter Pan. If Bae finds out about his mother, Milha, running off with Killian, I could see that sparking the famous rivalry between Peter Pan and Hook. Peter might blame Hook for taking away his mother.
Yes, I believe that as well slurpeez and posted about it in another thread. As well, will Hook tell Bae about Rumple murderous his mother? That would add more layers of frustration, resentment and anger to the Bae & Rumple story.
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Mike! Great catch! I never realized it until I saw your post. I have to wonder about that as well. Guess I’ll be spending my Monday morning pondering along with you 🙂
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It’s a great theory jonathan and many of us share it here on this forum. It will be interesting seeing what everyone discovers as the series progresses!
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@Phee wrote:
In the thread for the promo for The Doctor, I pondered if the specific heart Daniel gets will be significant, and TheGoldenKey suggested that maybe it’ll be getting a “murderous heart” that makes the whole reanimation go so wrong. I briefly considered if the heart could potentially belong to someone like Jack The Ripper, but ruled him out because he’s too “real” IMO. The point you make about how his story isn’t necessarily strictly historical fact is interesting, but, I dunno, for me, he’s still too much of a real person from our world to be able to qualify as a storybook character in the context of the show. Much of his legend may be pure speculation, and in some cases fiction, but the origin of the character was still a very real world person committing very real world crimes, so I kinda hope they don’t include him in the show.
I have to agree with Phee on this. Besides, the lecherous part of Dr. Whale has been explained in that in the 1970 movie, The Horror of Frankenstein, Dr. Frankenstein was a notorious womanizer. I’ll even go one step further by suggesting that he is also mimicking Dr. Frank N. Further from Rocky Horror Picture Show. Explains his being a lech to the T! Let’s not forget that Kitsis, Horowitz and Lindenhof are all HUGE Frankenstein fans and are aware of this cult classic movie.
Gypsy has already explained the connection with the line, “I’m one he!! of a doctor, huh?” That, by the way, came from episode 1×06 The Shepperd. It’s when Dr. Whale and MM went out on a date.
The single carnation was also explained as Boris Karloff, who played the Monster many times, stared in a 1950’s series called The Climax. He did two episodes, one of which was called The White Carnation. In Rocky Horror Picture Show, Brad Majors is known for wearing his single white carnation boutineer. Fan goers ALWAYS ensure that they are wearing this when dressing up as Brad Majors for the inter-active shows. The “single carnation” is a MUST.
Glad you liked my & Gypsy’s Frankenstein theory and many thanks for acknowledging your support of it. Here is the link to it in case anyone else would like to read it: https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1613
Equally glad you liked my Bae is Peter Pan & Henry’s Father theory, as I’ve seen how much it has helped you in delevoping Neal Cassady’s personality & character. Again, here’s the link to the original theory in case anyone wishes to read it. https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1462
I’m wondering if they’ll ever get to the…………..! Now that would make for an interesting read!
Cheers!
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Maybe Faux Pax. But we do know that the longer one remains in Neverland the more one tends to forget about their other life. Plus, Bae aka Peter, could have easily come to the real world, just as he did in the movie Hook, sometime after Emma & Pino arrived and aged. So many possibilities 🙂
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I’m so tired I voted wrong 🙁 Hit Peter Pan and only then saw Bae and the combo button. Please cancel the single Peter Pan vote and add it to combo of Bae/Peter Pan. Thank you 🙂
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Do you think that perhaps Daniel & Jefferson were brothers? That might explain why Jefferson was so eager to help Regina bring Daniel back. It would also explain an embrace between two people mourning a loved one.
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@Phee wrote:
Wonder if they’ll make a point of whose heart Daniel ended up with? Or maybe that won’t be significant. But it’d be fun if they made it the heart of someone everyone’s heard of.
Phee, I did see a clip where Dr. Whale opens a heart box and takes a heart out. Not sure if he selected it or if Reggie did. |I would think the latter as she is the one who leads them down to Cora’s heart room. But yes, I agree, the heart should play a part in this story. In the other Frankenstein stories, it’s a defective brain that sets the monster off. In this story, perhaps it’s a murderous heart that makes Daniel such a monster.
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