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@RumplesGirl wrote:

That is very interesting. Question: if Wendy was Aurora’s mother and we think lived in NL for at least some portion of her life, then how did Aurora end up in FTL?

Thinking out loud: Hook did seem to know Maleficent without Regina telling him who she was. He almost seemed to recognize her. *which is odd given that she was a zombie dragon lady*

Wasn’t the zombie wearing a (rather beat up) version of Malificent’s iconic two pointed hat? I thought it was pretty clear from the outfit who we were dealing with, and Malificent was a very powerful and prominent figure in FTL. Being a traveler who frequented pubs etc- it would have been easy for Hook to have heard plenty of tales about her.

I too would like to see more Malificent, if only because she seems like a multilayered character. She’s a bad guy, a dark sorceress, but she also gave up on her revenge (more or less) regarding Aurora and Phillip and also struck some kind of bargain to obtain Rumple’s curse just to keep it from being used. I’m sure she paid a high cost for that! (Of course, now I’m wondering what kind of world might have resulted if Malificent had been the one to cast the curse or if someone else had gotten their hands on it….) What event in her life turned her from evil to neutral?

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If you get reception in the bottom of a cave I need to know the name of your service provider. 😉

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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@obisgirl wrote:

@thelonebamf wrote:

In the end, I don’t think “True Love” should be confused with “Real Love”. I think that all of these women had real love in their hearts at one point, and I think “real love” is all around in their world, while “true love” is so much rarer. Instead, I think that “true” refers to the people themselves who have love in their hearts. Belle is true to herself. All she wants from Rumplestiltskin is for him to be true to himself.

..not only to be his true self, but the “best version of himself.” Before he became corrupted with power. 😀

Actually, I think the best version of Rumple would be the current one but without magic or at least the temptation to use it. His ability to love could actually thrive for a change, but he would still have the wisdom of someone who has seen power corrupt first hand. That would be a man who makes choices not out of desperation, but with careful consideration. Rumple’s struggled a lot over the centuries and despite his flippant attitude I think it would be a discredit to say “forget who you’ve been these 300 years and be just like who you were back then”. The pain is part of who you are, after all.

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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@Rumple Love wrote:

If he yelled up for wouldn’t Regina hear him calling for help?

How far of a walk from the elevator to where Mal and the coffin is? If the distance is enough maybe that is why she did not hear Hook call for help?

Ah, I think the cruel truth is that Regina didn’t care. She knew he was in for a bad time when she threw him down the cliff. He wasn’t at his best (limping, worse for wear) but she knew he could provide a “distraction” by keeping Malificent busy long enough for her to get the trigger. That’s all she needed him for. He plan involves herself and Henry. She was happy to validate this by reasoning that she would be killing Rumplestiltskin in the process, thereby technically giving Hook what he wants. Since Hook seems somewhat grim about the fact that he’ll have no mission after Rumple is dead, Regina feels no remorse about letting him die down there at all.

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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@KFChimera wrote:

@thelonebamf wrote:

Milah does make a sacrifice in leaving her son behind, although strangely we see no regret in her at any time. .

We see regret when she says there is not a day she isn’t sorry for having left Bae (but not so sorry that she came back, then again, it is not like she could work out visitation and a divorce. Sometimes I see a parallel to Belle if I think of Milah as a forward thinking woman hampered by the feudal culture they had. Only you know, more selfish and way less heroic than Belle.) If you want a plot bunny, think about what it must have been like to be Milah–pregnant and alone when the whole town turns against her because of rumors of what Rumpel did on the battlefield. Even after Bae is born, I imagine a scenario where she had a rough time and Rumpel’s return seemed like cold comfort since it confirmed the rumors. Ah angst….

Any way we get so little of her side of things, that she seems more awful.

Ah, thanks for correcting me. I haven’t gone back to watch “The Crocodile” so I completely forgot about that. She seemed perhaps… not sad enough to leave much of an impression on me, I guess. (But maybe that’s just up against Rumplestiltskin who is a wreck about the whole thing and isn’t lucky enough to escape his troubles on a pirate ship. Every day he saw Bae was a reminder.) I can kind of imagine the struggle Milah must have had upon leaving. She just left without a word, thinking it better to let her husband and son think she’d died. She could have left something behind for her son, a note, an explanation etc- but she chose to let him think her dead rather than himself abandoned. Ouch.

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I think he’s going to make a choice not to kill Gold for some reason or another. Maybe Gold is no longer the man he swore revenge against? He could see Rumple give up his magic or make some sort of sacrifice for Henry (or someone else, but probably Henry) and decide that the man he swore revenge against is already dead.

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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I think 3D can be effective if it is part of the director’s original vision for the film. For example, the Great Gatsby got delayed by five months because the director thought having 3D would be integral to the film and was satisfied holding off on releasing because it was just that important. I have respect for those sorts of choices, but understand that people are tired of every movie getting the 3D treatment in post production as a means of making a few extra dollars when it was never part of the plan to begin with.

That being said, I’ve been looking forward to this movie for a while!

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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@Keb wrote:

… Sorry, I read everything you wrote and then went “Sharing a blanket? Squee.” And then my mind wandered off. I should probably go hunt it down…

(Apologies for stirring the pot! I really think we’ve got some continuity errors, some of which have been forced upon us by limitations in shooting etc. I think it’s really best to hammer down what you can in a timeline, but enjoy whatever story/sequence suits you. It reminds me of my friend that ran a comic book store when he had to put out the fires between arguing fans over what was and wasn’t canon. He just told them “Hey, if you don’t like that plotline, ignore it. It’s not part of your canon. There’s no right or wrong way to enjoy Superman. Read it the way that makes you happiest.” That being said I am absolutely in awe of the amount of time and detail that has gone into that impressive timeline, and I’ve been consulting it myself as I work on fic.)

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Does # 11 include the chipped cup scene?

I just reviewed Skin Deep, Lacey, and Evil Queen- and the establishing shots are a little goofy.
As much sense as it makes for him to be describing her duties right when she gets there- I don’t know that he did.

During the pillow scene we have an establishing shot of the castle in the summer (or spring, but probably summer). Right before the teacup scene we have a shot of the castle in winter.

It’s possible that Belle was just stuck in the dungeon for a while before Rumplestiltskin decided “what to do with her” and actually gave her a job description. (This sort of goes with my theory that taking Belle as payment was a snap judgment of his as an effort to exact the highest possible cost from Maurice.)

It’s definitely not winter when they go looking for Robin Hood, the forest (while on foot) looks very similar to the way it does during the events of Evil Queen. And if we all agree that the pillow scene is right when Belle arrives then it doesn’t make sense that she’s saying “it’s almost spring” when it is full on green outside as in the establishing shot of the castle.

Just to, y’know. Make things more fun for everyone. ^_^7

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Favorite bit for me, Rumple’s line “Once the deed is done, call upon me.”

Belle is right- he does toy with words. First of all, he never said “Hey whenever you want to change back” he said “when it’s done”- which it never is. Second, “call upon me” could very easily mean (in a bit more formal/antiquated language) “come visit me”. Ahaha. You sneaky sneak, you.

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