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I hate to post so quickly in rapid suggestion, but I thought it might be thematically appropriate if I also claimed Mr. Gold’s lock picks. 🙂

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BRB devouring Myril’s post…

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…And I’m back.

I hadn’t thought a lot about how the residents of Storybrooke would feel about their government, but I think it is probably a safe wager that their feelings about their particular monarchy (Snow/Charming) wouldn’t have changed. It’s true, they existed for 28 years as residents of a world where democracy exists- however even during their time as Storybrooke citizens it was common knowledge that Regina and Gold held all of the power there was to be held in their town. Nobody ever challenged Regina as mayor (I think this is said explicitly in an early episode) and any power that didn’t fall directly under Mayoral jurisdiction was in Gold’s hands. It wasn’t a true democracy because everyone was kept in line by their fear.

Also- it isn’t as though people in FTL weren’t accustomed to having cruel and unfair Kings and Queens (even excepting Regina). Plenty of monarchs were cruel, sending children to fight in wars, stopping at no cost to fund their bankrupt Kingdoms (Why is every kingdom broke in FTL? Is it all of the wars? Or is the Dark One just wreaking havoc by inflating prices with all of his gold? XD) I think the idea of having a fair and just leader is more important to them than how that person came to power.

And of course, there’s the nostalgia factor. After waking up from their curse the residents of Storybrooke are still stranded in a strange land- and many of them are homesick, some to the point that they’d rather forget their past lives if there’s no way to get back home. It’s no wonder that they’d want to fall back and rely on a (much loved) leading pair, Snow and Charming. I think we also have an interesting contrast with David during “We Are Both”. He tries to lead in the manner of a “modern man”, assembling everyone at the town hall, revealing his plan etc- but that doesn’t go well because it’s not what he’s suited for and in the end it’s not what people respond to. He is much more effective at the town line when he takes on the guise of the “hero”, giving a speech that sounds much more like a commander rallying his troops and encouraging them to soldier on. David’s kicking it old school, because that’s how he knows how to kick. ^_^

This of course doesn’t mean that the people won’t take back ideas from the modern world back to FTL. Some things might not make sense without a more advanced infrastructure (and honestly, it’s hard to say what physical bastions of civilization are still left in FTL), but maybe ideas like a more unified health care system and libraries wouldn’t be amiss. There’s a lot of work to be done restoring their old world and a little forward thinking would go a long way! Especially now that I imagine all the folks of FTL are literate, a skill that might not have belonged to them in their old lives.

Back to the Ogre’s war, I’m really curious how those events went. In “The Return” Rumple tells Bae that he created a “truce” in the war (not that he ended it, which was what I first thought, I had to go back and watch). I wonder what the statute of limitations were on that truce (200 years maybe? Haha…) if the fighting is as bad as it is during “Skin Deep”. Also interesting in that situation (although perhaps better suited to another thread) he uses the phrase, “I led the children home”. I know those children would have been eager to return home, but how do you round up thousands of children from a bloody battle field in an orderly manner? Magic? A magic flute perhaps?

(Psst, Cat, your love of the Pied Piper is showing.)

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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I wouldn’t mind seeing more of Cora in Wonderland. I think she’s a fascinating character and Barbara Hershey is an amazingly talented actress I wouldn’t mind seeing more of. It would just be nice if she was in.. the past. In another land. Where she can’t hurt all the characters I love. ^_^7

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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Oh yes- I didn’t meant to imply that the Cinderella sequels and comic were related, I was just wondering if either of the movie sequels had any “trouble in paradise” plot points in them. (I think I remember seeing ads for the first sequel- and it was a bit of “I don’t know how to be a princess” sort of thing. Hazy memory though.)

I saw The Little Mermaid sequel as well and I agree, it was okay. It seemed sort of funny that they just told more or less the same story as the original but in reverse.

Of course anything is better than the Hunchback of Notre Dame sequel. That just… hurt. ~_~

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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True, true. I’ll have to make some choices, likely based on whatever suits the story best, but it’s good to have an idea where to look!

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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Thanks Keb. This is all really helpful. I know that a lot of the particulars are fuzzy because we are dealing with a fantasy world that is both based on reality/history but also based on Disney and plenty of things have been altered to whatever makes the most narrative sense. Still, it’s good to have a baseline understanding about these sorts of things and this is an area that I’m woefully ignorant about. Since I’m the sort of person that really likes to understand the nuances of a character and their background/identities before I start to work with them (in fanfics etc) this sort of information helps me a lot.

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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tiara_rose- I read manga too. I’ve been a fan since I was in high school (quite some time ago), and have a tidy collection of stories I enjoy. I’m really sort of weird. My manga collection seems to go back and forth between horror and super cute shoujo series. I’m a fan of Junji Ito’s horror manga, and pretty much anything Osamu Tezuka ever laid his hands on (old school, I know). I’ve also gotten into the Manhwa series “March Story” which has some beautiful art. I’ve heard of Angel Sanctuary, but haven’t read it.

obisgirl- I can’t decide whether that’s hilarious or sad. ^_^;; Didn’t they make two movie sequels? I heard that the second sequel was actually pretty decent.

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Oh no, I think Henry Sr. is a genuinely good guy- he just ended up getting pushed around by the women in his life. It’s hard to say if he ever really loved Cora, I think he liked her well enough from their first meeting, but the marriage was arranged and without her heart his wife would have been difficult to get close to. Still, I imagine he felt he had a duty to wed the woman who had saved the kingdom. After Regina was born I think it’s clear she was the light of his life, which is why he’d do anything for her.

I do wonder why Cora decided to take him to Wonderland and imprison him. Was it a punishment? Had he done something specific to upset her? Was she just showing her power and belittling a symbol from her old Kingdom as she rose to power in the new one?

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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@KFChimera wrote:

I’d love it if in telling this backstory, we find out Xavier has an older son who was supposed to inherit, and he’s a spendthrift useless Prince named Naveen….and Cora turns him into a frog 😛 But really, any backstory will be great.

…Yes, please.

"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."

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@myril wrote:

I’m by now bit unsure, what Belle is or was. Before thought it possible, that Belle’s father was simply the mayor, leader of a self-governed town (boroughs), a rich merchant not nobility – what would be more consistent with the original version of Beauty and the Beast. Or more precise, with the short version commonly known. Read that in the first publish version by Villeneuve there was a bit of a different background story, where she was actually the daughter of a king and a (disguised) fairy, planted for her own safety as baby into the family of the merchant. No kidding – found this interesting information on a general great blog called Tales of Faerie, here a direct link to the info.

You have just changed my life for the next few days with that link. Thank you! <3

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