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Thanks for that clarification, PriceofMagic. I’m not much of an expert when it comes to how political and royal structures work. It didn’t seem like she was a princess, just some sort of high ranking lady, but I had no idea what her official position might be.
Also- I am just now realizing that “Moe” was supposed to be a play on Mau-rice. Ahaha. Ha. I’m not too quick today.
[adrotate group="5"]"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
Perhaps also relevant to the discussion is this excerpt from an interview with Emilie de Ravin:
“The portion in Fairytale Land in the Lacey episode — [Rumpel and Belle] are not in love yet. They’re still figuring things out yet,” says de Ravin. “Rumpel has a thief named Robin Hood who steals something from him and in true Rumpel style, beats him up quite a bit.
“The right thing to do is for Belle to release him, so she does. She’s basically putting her life on the line for Rumpel to kill her or get rid of her, but he doesn’t. That’s sort of the start of a little bit of the guard dropping down between them,” she says.
I think that’s a pretty strong indicator that the Robin Hood events take place before the curtain scene in “Skin Deep”. By that time, they’ve already fallen into a companionable mood. They’re content with silences, but Belle feels free to ask questions. Rumple answers her without being too snarky. When she asks about his spinning, he’s genuine about wanting to forget, but ends the conversation with a joke before it gets too serious. She’s no longer nervous and on edge as she was during the chipped cup scene, and not surprised at his more human responses like she was in the pillow/dungeon scene. She can read him better, knows when he’s joking and has a better idea of what sort of person he is.
Interview here: http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2013/04/once-upon-a-times-emilie-de-ravin-rumpel-and-belle-start-the-guard-dropping-down-between-them-in-lac.html
(Apologies if this has already been posted elsewhere.)"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
obisgirl- I’m not much of a vintage collector. I didn’t really start building my collection until recently. So to make up for it, I try to buy the nicest versions of the trades. These days a lot of the series I’m in to release really lovely hardback versions, often with bonus concept art etc. They’re gorgeous and look so proud on my shelf. ^_^;; I guess I also like to collect comic book art, especially at conventions. Most of what I have is drawn by various artists that aren’t exactly household names, but I did manage to get Alan Davis to draw me a headshot of Nightcrawler. That baby is framed and in a place of honor in the living room. 😀
It can be really disappointing to see how new writers can take over a title and sort of ruin it while trying to improve it. I don’t think it’s ever intentional but it happens all too often. I think that’s why some of my favorite series (as far as over arching plot goes) are ones that have a single writer, or limited writing staff. “Fables” is a great example of this (have I said “Fables” enough? XD) as is “The Walking Dead”. It really brings more of the “graphic novel” feel to the work when there is one writer carrying out their specific vision. I know that’s not realistic for most titles, but it’s nice when it happens.
-Angie I can empathize. It can seem really difficult to get involved in a series if you pluck an issue from the shelf and have no idea what’s going on. Crossovers etc make it even more difficult. I’m going to back your friend up and say yes, do read “Fables”! I am constantly lending out my copies of the hardbacks. I know that when OUAT started, there was a bit of dissent amongst the “Fables” fans- apparently ABC had been trying to get a TV version of the comic going, but then OUAT happened instead. (Which actually is great, I think. I’m not super sure if “Fables” would have translated as well, and I prefer that OUAT has an original story with Disney as its base, rather than just transcribing a comic into a show.) Still, I think the spirits of the two have a lot in common.
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
I think “couple of months” may be too vague to set a whole lot of value on. I’m just making blanket judgments on “It is REALLY GREEN” when the camera pans to the shot of weeping Belle and then found myself wondering why they were wearing cloaks in the forest moments later as they went to look for Robin. Is it that cold out already?
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
Keb- Hmm. You’re right. They look exactly the same. I don’t know though- I do feel like it’s funny that there’s so much debate over the curtains, it’s not as though they can’t be drawn, nailed, removed and replaced at will. ^_^
I spent some time trying to look at the seasons in the background and out of the window. It’s really hard to read. It’s definitely green and verdant when Belle is crying in the dungeon, very green and without any mist- so that makes me think it’s summer. (I’ve heard people say that she left to be with him in the winter, is there some canon backup for that that I don’t know about?) The span of time could be from summer to early spring?
Phee- I agree with you too. I think it’s a continuity error though, rather than a CGI mistake. If the windows had been open, Robin Hood couldn’t have made that nice loud glass smashing noise, and if he had the audience would be going “Wait, what window did he come through?”
Again, I realize the poetic reasoning and narrative strength of him having the curtains up all the time, I agree it makes the most sense. I think it was just a slip up and nobody thought the fans were going to get flustered over the drapes. Happens all the time. 🙂
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
You’re right Keb, the curtain fabric and the cloak fabric are not the same. I think that was something said in the last podcast and I just assumed it was accurate. Just went back to look.
However, it may be important to note that in the Robin Hood sequence of events, the curtains are merely *drawn*, not ripped from the walls. If they were nailed down then they’d have to be ripped away and they wouldn’t be hanging so neatly. I think he nailed the curtains up after Belle arrived. I don’t know, maybe after Robin burst in through the window, Rumple went to fix it and said “You know what, forget it, I don’t even NEED windows, I’m nailing these curtains down.” (With Thor’s hammer, I’m sure.) If the curtains went “up” after Belle got there, it’s no wonder she’d just assume she could open them up when Spring came. (Okay, now you’ve all done it. I am writing a fic about the curtains RIGHT NOW.)
I think the curtain scene is important because it shows Belle taking an initiative and changing something in his life and he found he didn’t mind. “I’ll get used to it” isn’t just referring to the curtains, it’s referring to having else (who isn’t afraid to express and act on their own opinions) around and him getting used to the idea of considering someone else’s desires for a change.
I read the hug the same way you did, Rumplesgirl. It was just the idea that someone was open and unafraid of him in any regard. The curtain-catch scene was more of a “Well isn’t *this* a compromising situation we’ve found ourselves in” moment.
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
What’s the line from the Simpson’s?
“Any time you notice something like that… a wizard did it.” ^_~"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
I may be right there with you. I’ve spent a lot of time working with children and I think a lot of times when people complain about child actors- it’s more that the children don’t speak and carry themselves like the more experienced adult actors. I usually gloss over this. Children are awkward. They say awkward things. I think it’s better that way that to have them be overly groomed. I guess it does stand out when a child actor is particularly notable, but this usually has something to do with more dramatic screenplays etc.
I had this same problem with the Harry Potter movies. Fans were always talking about how terrible the younger actors were and I had no idea what the frame of reference was.
I had a feeling there was a lot of this sort of criticism floating around- I’m not generally one to “meta view” a show and seek out interviews or twitter feeds. I tend to stick to what the canon presents to me unless I have a particular question. I agree though, I hope it’s not disheartening for him.
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Ok. I said I was going away. I am now, promise.
B…but whyyyyyy? T_T
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
This is going to sound like a really silly question, but I’ve noticed that a lot of people can’t stand Henry. My husband says it’s just a case of a bad child actor (he likes the boy who plays Baelfire much more) but had a hard time of pointing out exactly what it was that ruins the character for him. All he could say was that Henry tends to pull him out of the story, like he doesn’t believe the actor is really a part of it.
I actually don’t have a problem with Henry myself. I do think it’s a little problematic that he’s more of a catalyst than a character (people just do stuff because of him but not with him in any plot relevant way). I think I’m really a poor judge of acting in most cases (especially with younger actors) so I was wondering if anyone would mind telling me some specific examples of when Henry just wasn’t “working” for them.
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
