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Probably i’m doing -shame on me-. I only rememeber her scared in the scenes at the hospital, in the road just seems confussed to me.
Yep, mental. That is why I’m so sad about Belle’s underserved punishment: her only memories are the memories of a non totally healthy person. what is going to happen to here now? T_T@PriceofMagic wrote:
You would think so but she doesn’t appear to recognise Rumple but she could just be freaking out because she saw him about to throw a fireball at Hook.
Or because she wakes up being kissed by a man she hardly knows who is old enough to be her father.
@PriceofMagic wrote:
Just a thought, if Storybrooke personas are opposite of their fairytale personalities then Belle’s storybrooke personality is going to be quite frightened in nature because Belle was brave in fairytale land.
Speaking about that… wasn’t Belle in a mental hospital -ok, the part of the hospital devoted to mental illness- in Storybrooke before the course was broken? I mean, apart from losing her true love, what consequences could that have? why was she in that hospital? which was the story Regina created for her illness?
I’m quite brokenheart. I’ve been like 2 months too busy to write in the forums T_T but, after the lasta chapter, and seen those pics, I must join the “what are they doing to Belle?”.
On the other hand, I’m eager to know more about Dr. Frankenstein and his brother ^^@medchen wrote:
Then you say- “Well he likes children”
YES- granted he does, but in the past what we have seen, its only been when he could have them/take them and use them for something… then he liked them very much.I’m among the ones who say this, so let me explain my point ^^
I think this way because I see the characters of Once Upon a Time as a reinterpretation of the archetypes and characters we find in Fairy Tales, so some of the features of the characters can be found in those traditional archetypes.Taken this for granted -i do, at least- Rumplestiltskin fits 3 or those archetypes: The Wizard, The Trickster, and The King of Elves. As wizard, we learnt how he got his magic from a dark source, how he went from trying to use that power for good and then turning into cruel acts… and how he has a human goal; to find his son. As the trickster, he is amoral, acts according to his interests, manipulates, etc… And as the King of Elves, he deals in children and women.
It is not neccesary to analyze the Wizard and the Trickster now, because it is the King of Elves archetype which makes me think that Rumplestiltskin is kind with children generally speaking. Because in lot of folk tales, we find that the Elven King makes a deal with a man -usually it is a game of chess: they play and if the elf wins, he takes the man’s wife.- The tales usually end with the elf and the woman falling in love and living happily ever after, while the ex-husband becomes an old embittered man.
And when the Elven King -or Queen- steals a child, and after some years the human family finds him-her again, the child who was stolen is living like a prince in the land of elves. yep, those children become mad, can’t go back to human world… but no harm was intended, the elves stole them just because they liked children. When children are not kidnapped by the elves, but get involved with them in some way, they just got some “second sight”, or especial ability, what is commonly called “to be touched by elves”. And of course, they lose some sanity by the contact -because all magic comes with a price, so to speak-What I mean with this is that, at least as far as I’m concerned, being fond of children is something that fits into the character. Of course if he can take advantage from the deal with Henry -and, probably any other child-, he is going to do so. But if not…well, it could change depending on the mood. And, of course, this doesn’t mean lack of consequences: just that the consequences are not due to the wizard’s intention
Because after all, as Gigi says, Rumplestiltskin is not an evil character: he is just amoral, neutral one.
I don’t know, maybe I wrote everything a bit messy, but i hope you can get my point. 😳
That comment about softer version of Mr. Gold remains me something he told Regina in 1st season. It was when Kathryn was found and Regina was angry because she was not killed. “It is not so easy to kill someone in this world” -probably not the exact quote, but that was the idea- Mr. Gold is softer in our world because our world is softer than EF; there, you take revenge by killing people, not suing them. It is a harder world with different rules, different perception… and the characters act in consequence.
In my opinion, when coming across children, Rumplestiltskin would be also kind with them. Maybe in a different way, but still kind.
There have been some deals without harming consequences, even with adults.Think about Jimini: Rumplestiltskin gave him a potion that turns people in puppets. The price was just leaving the puppets -ok, the spell came with other consequences, but those were not the wizard’s price- .In fact… Rumplestiltskin is not evil. He is amoral. He acts according to his interests, but his goal is not hurt people, steal their happy endings or whatever. So he can allow himself to charge people whatever he wants for his magic, following his own rules: if he likes some persons, he can perfectly charge them for nothing, or for symbolic price. It is something to take into account, I think: the difference between “evil” and “amorality” ^^
PS: By the way, in folktales, Fairies are also amoral 😆
@medchen wrote:
Oh come on you people!!!!!!!!!!! Why do you want Rumple to be good right now ???
He is at his best when he is super evil……. the Cora and the Hook characters can NOT pull it off as well as he can………….
Dont mean this as an offence to you guys but just I dont want grandpah Rumple. I want Rumplestiltzkin !!!!!I agree, I want Rumplestiltskin to. But being a twisted trickster doesn’t mean the guy has not feelings or preferences. And he seems to be fond of children. I don’t understand why it should be any ulterior motives, he has quick temper for both good and evil. That is what makes him an interesting, unpredictable character 😉
@PriceofMagic wrote:
There was quite a noticeable reaction of general horror when Rumple killed Milah in the Crocodile. Fair enough. Killing your ex-wife in a fit of anger is really, really bad. Now, I wasn’t part of the online fandom when “Forbidden Fruit” came out, but retrospectively, it doesn’t seem like there was near the amount of horror when Regina emotionally manipulated the genie to murder Leopold. In fact, (and I don’t agree with this at all), quite a few Evil Regals seemed to cheer her on as the tragic, wronged woman who killed her chauvinist pig of a husband..
To me, the cruelest murder in the entire show so far was Regina killing her father. The second episode.The reason is that Henry sr. was a good man, tried to be a good father.. he didn’t deserve to be killed. Yep, I know, she needed the heart of the thing she loved more… and that is the why. When Rumplestiltskin chose power over Belle, he sent her away, but he didn’t hurt her. and even then, he was ready to accept her back in his castle “”if she needed a home”. Regina, who was not cursed, didn’t hesitate in killing her father. Ok, yeah, she was sad afterwards but still… I think it says a lot of their personalyties.
I don’t mean by this that Leopold or Milah do deserve to die, but at least you can see that their murders were the overreaction to something:
Regina’s character was embittered due to her unhappy marriage. It is not an excuse… in our world. In our western world, where we can finnish a relationship without consequences. I can understand that in a medieval-fantasy context, killing your husband could be an option. Just a matter of despair.
Regarding Rumplestiltskin killing Milah… i’m sorry, I cheer him. I agree with that of him being abused by Milah. It is neither an excuse to kill no one, it is an overreaction, ok… but you can at least sympathize with him in a way. -well, at least, I can- A matter of extreme “my patience has run out.” coming from a person with power enough to kill you with a gesture of his hand.
No problem. The first time i noticed the shipping was looking for a new book of a saga i used to read and it was quite shocking, because I thought that the stories i was reading were part of the new book and I was like 😯 😮 until I learnt that it was fanfiction and so on.
So I can understand your doubts, I still have lots of them sometimes with all the fandom universe 😉
