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@obisgirl wrote:
I didn’t like August after The Stranger and now, I really do not like him. I had a thought if August is still a wooden puppet in Storybrooke and confronts Emma about what he did, she should have fire handy. But wood burns.
This made me think… if August was so desperate for Emma to believe in the curse… instead of saying: “hey, I was the boy who found you! I’m Pinoccio!”, saying the truth would help more, something like: “You know, I was ‘friend’ of Neal, he believed, this is how it all happened…” Maybe keeping some details -as, 20 000$ or “he left you because I ask him to” – but I think it would be an unanswerable proof in her eyes.
Besides, it gives hope and motivation to Emma, as Neal was still waiting for her to broke the curse to meet her again. Even if she doesn’t want him in her live after all, at least she would want an explanation.And if Emma goes crazy and kill August in the proccess to broke the curse, bad luck Pinoccio: at least you honored your promise.
[adrotate group="5"]@Naomi wrote:
Kitsis: There is an Easter egg in there, but it’s going to take a while for you to realize it. Then, when you go back, it may not be the bow and arrow that gave it away.
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And notice the flame:
For Neal-is-NOT-Bae fans, I’m honestly curious: what do you think Kitsis was talking about?
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What’s great about Once is that the writers/producers DO leave clues behind for people to interpret differently. 😆 Just because a theory is popular doesn’t mean it’s bad or good. Every good theory (annoying or not) is based on clues that people pick up on because they like thinking about how it would work on the show. For example, some people want Neal to be Bae because it offers symmetry to the curse. Some people want something less predictable. I don’t think people are purposefully trying to annoy – or that they should be laughed at if they’re wrong. They’re just trying to have fun!
I’m a “Neal is not Bae” fan since last episode. Before it, I was just curious about the possibility. But Neal is a completely different person, I couldn’t even try to fit his personality with Bae’s. The teen Bae was more mature than the adult Neal, and less easily influenced. So I’ve ruled out the possibility, although I’m always open to be surprised, and if there is a good reason for such a huge change, it wouldn’t be traumatic for my XDD
Regarding the Easter Egg, it is not neccesary related to Henry’s father. The flame in the arrow could be related to the nightmare, for instance. And the other details.. well, I suppose that if they say that it is going to take a while to realize the easter egg, it means that some of the details are related to something still unknow. But it is something to think about ^^
And, finally, I completely agree with you in this: “I don’t think people are purposefully trying to annoy – or that they should be laughed at if they’re wrong. They’re just trying to have fun!” That is the reason behind all this, isn’t it? having fun and enjoying the show ^^
I agree with Schmacky, there is nothing that links Neal with Bae but people’s thoughts. (with all my respect, I’m not saying those thoughts are wrong, just a bit hasty 😉 )
As I see it, -and I insist, it is an opinion- Neal is too broken and lost to be Bae. I actually think that he is not a FairytaleLand character at all, and that all those references in his apartment and so on are there just because after knowing who Emma really was, he started to collect them. And if he turns out to be some fairy tale character, then a lost boy… let me even say Peter Pan, but cautiously.
As for why he was so easily persuaded about Emma’s destiny, the expresion on his face while looking into the box is more a surprise expresion than one of realization, so the great mistery is in that box… but honestly, I think Neal was a dreamer, eager for something magical to happen, eager for a “happy ending” and a good live. It is easy to persuade a person who is inclined to believe.I’ve written that Neal is too broken, and I can even heard voices saying: ” didn’t Bae suffer enough to be broken?” XDD Well, yes, he did. But not from the very beginning, he had a childhood, parents who loved him, and took care of him -ok, his mother left him, but he thought she died, so… as far as he was concerned, Milah loved him-. He was not starved of affection, or with a lack of control, guideness and so on as the children who grow up without that do.
The Bae who traveled to a world without magic was already a teenager. His personality was almost completely -or completely- developed already. The quiet child we see in “The crocodrile” is a strong boy in “Desperate souls”, brave, ready to fight in the wars, ready to confront the knights, and even to openly ask his father about the truth on his mother’s death, etc… in “The Stranger”, Bae is, as Mr. Gold told August taken him for his son “the grown man”: he was determined to save his father, he negotiated with the Blue Fairy -even after Morraine spoke about her in quite dark terms- without hesitation. And then his father failed him.
Ok, he arrived to an unknown land, hurt by his father, thinking that his mother is dead and really sad, frustrated, whatever you want.
But I can’t see him losing his personality til grow up to be Neal Cassady, whose personality, manners and so on are sooooo different. Neal is more like, yep, like a “lost child”.If Neal turns out to be Bae, then it should be a really, really good explanation of what happened to him after leave FairyTaleLand.
PS: “You” is general you. AND just an opinion.
PS2: SwanThief sounds perfect ^^
My vote to Skin Deep.
Mainly because Tallahassee’s two plots are quite disconected, like two different stories with the same character as protagonist. I mean, I know that the linking point is Emma’s distrust of Hook, which remains her Neal, but I can’t feel it as a unified tale: when FairytaleLand’s story got all my atention, then suddenly it changed to Emma’s past, and vice versa. It seems like the stories of the nightmares were closer each other than the main plots.
On the other side, you can feel Skin Deep as a single story, so to speak.There is also another reason, more personal one. I know you are going to be totally shocked after read what i’m going to write, but i swear it is completely true: I discovered the Belle&Beast story after watching Skin Deep. You see, I’m sort of “disney virgin”, my fastination for fairy tales came to me being an adult and then I read the original tales from the folklore tradition, avoiding the romantic ones. BUT, I really enjoyed Skin Deep and it has made me become more open to certain stories. Not a very impartial reason to vote for it, but…
Wow! i didn’t read this post again -too focuss in different stuff- but… Let me explain myself!
1.- As I said, I’m not an English native speaker, so, I just wrote about the implicature of “not being someone’s prince” following the linguistic theory of “implicatures, semantic roles, blablabla…” What can I say, I’m a linguist, I’m used to use that sort of things when speaking a language that is not my own… I’ve learnt a lot about the details and subtleties of English, which is quite fair to my eyes, so thank you all for your explanations :ugeek: (Note: is it common to adress your father as “papa”? I was really like 😮 the first time I heard it, sound like Spanish.)
2.- Some price beyond accepting magic is an idea that I have not only regarding OUaT, but ALL magic. You know, that of “your spells come back to you”. As far as I understand it, wizards in OUaT are not men of faith. There is true magic, no matter if you believe in it or not. Faith is not in the equation. Actually I see Rumplestiltskin and Frankenstein as equals: one has magic, the other science, to sides of the same coin. But that is a different topic. What I meant was that there should be a distinction between the price of Magic and the price of the Wizard. Let me think about how to organize my ideas about it and i’ll open a post on it. Just… it was not a particular issue regarding this case. And as I said like two or three times, I’m more than probably wrong, since it is my idea of magic.
3.- OMG! I know you were joking, GoldenKey, but… you know, in fact, I’m the long time ago lost evil twin of Fairy Dust. I’m… the monster!!! 😆 😆 -just kidding no offense pretended.-
I don’t think August was related to Henry’s adoption. Surely not.
But the adoption took place, and it means that it was part of the initial plot to break the curse. It is twisted enough as to come from Rumplestiltskin’s mind.
I agree, no one but Emma could break the curse. But… in any situation? under a particular circunstance? Maybe. And it is also possible that even being enough an Emma’s kiss to her husband -Neal- or her son -Henry- in a hypothetical “happy ending of Neal/Emma relationship”, the drama of adoption, 10 years of solitude, blablabla, was neccesary to fulfil other gaps in the plot: for instance, kill the dragon and recover the true love potion that brings the magic back.
@Dreaming_Mike wrote:
I imagine there is fan fiction on how, to break the curse, there had to be a moment of true love between a parent and a child; a symbol of Rumple’s grief.
Not neccesary between a parent and a child, just between people who know about the curse. If not, any true love kiss within the borders of Storybrooke would break it.
But… if Henry wouldn’t be in Storybrooke, Emma’s kiss would never work; no true love involved, no magic operating there.
If Emma was in prision, she would give her son to be adopted, Mr. Gold would bring him to Regina… and the clock goes on till Emma’s 28th birthday with all the pieces already in the chessboard. If Emma and Neal would start a live together, then Henry would grew up with them and the play never started.
I read somewhere that we will see what happens when a person from our world goes to Storybrooke. So, probably, Neal was just waiting, now, Emma is free from her duty to her people, and is free to be with him again. I guess Neal is going to appear soon in Maine looking for his beloved to find out that he has a son, and other “funny” things.
I think he is a man of our world -at least I hope so, I have higher expectations regarding Baelfire XDD- so I don’t think that just a book or a picture could help Neal to became a believer. Maybe a magical item, in any sense -Tinkerbell would be a really good one ^^-
But, if August had some magical item, why not show it to Emma in season 1 to make her believe?
Now, I’m confused 😆
