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I don’t think this should turn into a SF vs CS debate, but the question was just why the writers didn’t give Hook and Emma a TLK or make their having True Love very obvious/a spectacle in a clear way. For Snowing, it was the kiss that tells us. For OutlawQueen, its the dust. For Rumbelle it was the kiss. For Swanfire, it was the necklace. Sure, the door could count for CS, but you would think something more especially at the finale where they know that JMO wont be returning that they would really do a whole song and dance (heheheheh see what I did there)
I think True Love has to be mutual. Someone can definitely have unreciprocated love for another (it could also be an extreme infuation or obsession) but I think for it to be 100% true love in the same magical supernatural way as we’ve seen it, it has to be felt by both parties, not one. So I don’t understand the concept of one person having True Love for another but the other not having it at all.
And again: That doesn’t invalidate Emma and Hook’s relationship/love whether it be true love or not, because if you love someone you can always love again. Hook loved Milah, Emma loved Neal and if either of them died, its entirely possible they could find true love all over again in time.
And now I’m talking to the CS fans out there….. When Hook was first introduced in season 2, I don’t think anyone can really definitively say that they had that planned since the beginning. These writers don’t plan anything longer than a few weeks at a time it seems. I mean it’s a nice story, and definitely in season 3 I felt the narrative with Hook changed and I saw the writing on the wall, but despite how nice it would be knowing that CS was the plan all along, in season 2 it did not feel like that, and then I think the writers saw the chemistry between Hook and Emma, and they, along with the network, went with it. What do you think? Do you really think right from the start it was always the plan to put Emma and Hook together? Can someone find me lines of dialogue in season 2 that support your reasoning? Not what an A&E said. To me, what comes out of their mouth means nothing.
I think they always planned:
– Rump to lose his wife to a “dashing captain Hook” and for Rump to be the “crocodile” to cut off his hand. Rump was already the fairy god mother.
– I think Hook was always supposed to return to battle Rumpel in present day at some point.
We know for a fact that once Colin was casted they expanded the role, and that the season went into a different direction, and that Peter Pan was never intended to be Rump’s father and I don’t think we were even supposed to be going to Neverland (but I’m not sure on that, correct me if I’m wrong) and so here is where I think season 2 was made better but at the cost of making season 3 onward worse. I think:
– Hook and Emma were planned to be “kindred spirits”, that Hook would have a thing for Emma, and it would be a will they/won’t they thing as with all love triangles.
– I don’t think Hook was supposed to actually end up with Emma nor do I think he was supposed to even survive past the Peter Pan arc. I still thinks its a huge missed opportunity that Pan and Hook didn’t fight or really interact that much in an arc about their story. Hook should have teamed up with Rump and took Pan down and BOTH of them would have solidified themselves as heroes.
Now, Hook proved to be very popular in season 2 and 3 and obviously there were a lot who wanted to see them together and thus the rest is history. I don’t think it was planned from the start at all. But that doesn’t make it inherently bad. I think the way the ship was written and handled by the writers is the issue.
2. Why didn’t people start shipping Emma with Anton?
QUICK! NO ONE IMAGINE THAT RELATION– OH NO ITS TOO LATE, IM IMAGINING IT!!!
[adrotate group="5"]"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICThe only problem here is the same one if the darkness was Regina and Robin’s. That that would mean the darkness would be like, a child or a teenager. Henry is like, what, 16? Lets say hes 28 for sure. Then the darkness is 12….. :/
Also I keep rewatching the scene of when the darkness crashes through the door. It’s definitely shrinking and taking the shape of a person. I cant find an HD vid to make a gif of but here it is:
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICMary Poppins! YZMA! Man do I want Yzma.
YES! But knowing this show, Poppins is an evil witch who drugs children into seeing cartoon critters and steals their life force because she lost her own children centuries ago, and Yzma is Kuzco’s long lost sister who wants to turn him into a llama to get her rightful throne back, or something.
I am here for it!
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICHave we seen any actual case of True Love where it was only felt by one party and not the other? This keeps being stated and to my knowledge it doesn’t work that way.
Edit: That is to say the logic of that doesn’t really work out when you apply it to other couples. So the keychain surviving means that Emma was Neal’s true love but not vice versa. Does Regina using the pixie dust to find true love (robin) mean he was her true love but not vice versa? Does Emma using the flowers to open the door mean Hook was her true love and not vice versa? I’m not understanding how that works. True love has to reciprocated by both people involved. Not just one. Belles words are still the voices of the writers giving an explanation.
and again, that doesnt invalidate Emma and Hook’a relationship. We are saying that Emma’s lines are not consistent with what we have been shown. it just gets more and more messy the more you think about it
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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WHAT IF BABY SNOWFLAKE IS THE VILLAIN?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!!?!?!
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICOh, okay. Guess you are just going to ignore the, uh, plot holes in your flawed reasoning. You have no answers to questions that go against what you want to see. Okey dokey then.
Welp, does anyone else have any other points of discussion?
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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Then why did the swan keychain survive the curse? Lets explore it all.
Again what Belle of all people says is irrelevant especially back then because she had no idea how Emma feels.
Well, the writers have to have written Belle’s dialog and I would assume they know what they are talking about. Also its completely consistent with the magic of the show (the true love is more powerful than evil curses). So either the writers put in a line with no meaning or they did a thing and properly explained it. And why are Belle’s words meaningless when it comes to SF but you cited Snow and others saying Emma nad Hook had true love like two pages ago? Wouldn’t their words be meaningless too because they don’t know how others feel?
Also, Michael you didn’t answer my question from earlier: If Emma telling Neal she loved him doesn’t count because it was under duress, doesn’t that mean she doesn’t love Hook, Henry, and her parents too because she told them all that when she was under duress as well?
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICShe states in her vows that what she experienced with Hook is TRUE LOVE! Don’t try to make it anything other than what it is.
She stated that she loved Neal. Don’t try to make it make it anything other than what it is. The show stated their love was also TRUE LOVE! Don’t try to make it anything other than what it is.
Those were “magical forces” even if YOU don’t take it to be that.
Yes, they were magical forces but they both were not indicative of True Love between Hook and Emma. The underworld test would have worked regardless of Hook because Emma has a heart full of love. Because she is light magic and true love incarnate, and the savior. Her heart was already shown to be a powerful force of love in SEASON 2. The only confirmation of love I see is the door.
But still, Hook and Emma never received TLK. Which is still extremely odd.
it is completely clear within the narrative that Emma and Killian ARE true love. And no amount of arguing or headcanons you say will be able to say otherwise.
Sure. Just like Emma and Neal.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICSomething I was thinking about. What do you guys think Hook’s cursed persona will be? For some reason…..im thinking a priest. Why? Because a priest is the exact opposite of a swash buckling pirate and a priest is chaste, so that means not only would hook be in essence virginal, a huge difference from a pirate who has admitted to being, uh, quite well versed in the female bodies throughout his centuries, but he’d also be unmarried and alone. Which is the worst thing for him, since he’d have no memories of his love. Its the worse thing to curse him to be on all bases. I also think itd be quite funny to see Colin portray this.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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Regina did say there was a time stopping element to the dark curse and she was going to attempt to isolate it to give them more time. So it wouldn’t surprise me if black fairy can alter time in some way or another. But then…why?
My only guess would be that she doesn’t want to lose time with her infant child, so she makes time in her realm go faster than time outside of it. She would essentially have more time to devise a plan of escape while Rump ages relatively slower than her. So hopefully when she does escape, while it may have seemed like 300 years to her, it may have only been two for him. Its pretty grim considering Rump is centuries old before she actually escapes. In BF’s mind, she must be, like a thousand. If a single day is 30 years in her realm, sheesh.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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