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I dont think BF casted a spell on him to age him, as we see him as a baby, a young child, and then an adult. Plus there was his little friend who also grew up. So it seems as if time just works differently there (like that episode of angel where his son was stolen and taken into some hell dimension, and then came back all grown because time moved faster there.)
Honestly, I think I would have been okay with RumBelle having their grownup son. Snow and Charming missed out on Emma’s childhood but they seem okay. Rump missed out on Neal’s child hood and he turned out okay…all things considered. Emma missed out on Henry’s early childhood…. And now apparently Henry missed out on his own daughter’s childhood…. Wow this hsow has some serious parenting issues xD
[adrotate group="5"]"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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– Emma doesn’t love Neal because he was falling into a pit of magic when she said it and it was a high pressure moment.
– Emma doesn’t love Hook because when she first said it, she was bout to be sacfrice herself to the darkness which was also high pressure.
– Emma doesn’t love Henry because when she gave him TLK he was actually dying.
Anymore examples?
I guess you are right, Michael. Emma really has never known love before 😛
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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Agreed. Hopefully not at the same time, but if one party dies, I believe its entirely acceptable someone can move on and find another. I accept Emma did that. I think anyone can do that.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICYes, I don’t blame Hook for wanting to get back to Emma and to do whatever it takes. Not at all. What I blame is the writers for continually writing that same schtick
This. I don’t mind Hook wanting to get back to Emma, all of the characters should. Its just the same old storyline again and again and its bad specifically for him because ,and Michael, please pay attention to this: HE HAS NO OTHER STORYLINE. He can want to be reunited with Emma, I just think his character needs more to work with. All the other characters do. All the other characters aren’t attached at the hip to to their loves with stories only focused on them. Hook has a great opportunity to step up as a character. If you are a real Hook fan, isn’t that something we should be rooting for? Or does Hook only matter in the context of Captain Swan for you?
Let me get this straight — are you arguing that someone can only have True Love with one person they’re romantically and sexually involved with and all other relationships, past or present, or non-sexual/platonic/familial, get automatically demoted to something other than True Love?
I’d just like to remind everyone per the words of JMO, that when asked if Emma can love again, she said something about how swans love one mate for their whole life but if the mate dies, they can love again. Even JMO accepts that Emma loved someone other than Hook at another point. I don’t know why this is a point of argument. The only indication that Emma feels otherwise is one line from one episode versus what we have seen and heard from other episodes and cast. I don’t know why Michael just chooses to ignore that Emma actually felt love (familial and romantic) for someone other than Hook. Hook loved someone else before he met Emma. Hook even called Milah his true love did he not?
Also, wait: So if Emma telling Neal she loved him doesn’t count because it was an emotional situation, then why does the times she told Hook she loved him? Remember when she first told Hook she loved him? She was about to sacrifice herself to the darkness? So, by your logic, does that not count? Does Emma not really love Hook?
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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I also imagine this will be where we get our first sneak peek at who/what they villain is this season. I’m excited.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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It was a clear confirmation of True Love, not only in the words of Belle but the fact that the pendant was not effected by the curse. If True Love is not the case, then please explain an alternative as well as for why the writers would have Belle say something if it wasn’t true. I’m interested how you rationalize that.
You seem very sensitive to the idea that Emma loved someone other than Hook…. That’s very odd.
Unlike Killian and Emma, whom have had multiple confirmations of true love.
But they didn’t. Outside of people saying “Its true love” and “I love you’s” there was no supernatural confirmation of true love. Emma’ heart scale thing was not an indication of true love for hook because she’s the savior. Emma was shown to have true love with henry, she even had tlk with Graham, and the love she shared with Neal was also shown to be true love. I’m not denying that Emma loves Hook, I’m pointing out the show has done very little to actually show it on the same scale of the supernatural true love. The only thing that even remotely fits is the pixie flower door thing.
No the vows were Emma didn’t know TRUE love until she met Killian. She never believed her a child of true love would ever find it, until she met Killian. Those were the vows that she said and familial is different then romantic. The vows were about romantic true love as she brought up her parents, so it’s not related and no that was not a true loves kiss with Graham. It’s a kiss that triggered his memory cause she was the savior of them all. It was established in episodes after. They were not true love. They could have been loves but Regina cut that short.
But this once again doesn’t make sense: Because she and Neal had to have true love in order for the swan keychain pendant to survive. If that is not true, romantic love then explain how that works? And i disagree, Emma clearly had feelings for Graham and vice versa? Was it all the way, full on love? No, it could have grown to be, but it was definitely romantic love in its early stages. I don’t think Emma could have just gone around planting smoochies on the dwarves and every one else in town and bringing back memories.
For someone whom likes to boast about true love you sure are ignoring what one half of your ship is saying about true love. She did not know about true love until Killian, that is FACT. That was part of her vows. Don’t undermine or ignore what Emma says. She knows more than you do how she feels.
I agree. So lets look at what Emma says:
Now wait? Does this not exist? Are you ignoring what half your ship says? I think she knows more about her feelings than you do.
Why does it matter if KillEmma were planned or not? They are together now, they are together at the end. In my opinion, they weren’t, not because of SF, but because A&E are incapable of long term planning. Everything post 3A was obviously not planned from the beginning of the show.
I agree, that was the point i was making that Michael seems to agree with but also wants to argue. A&E don’t seem to have “pre-destined” them to be together but they are now and everyone who doesn’t like it just needs to deal with that. I think Snow’s line and Hook’s line were their way of saying that. Michael does too, but argued against it and for it at the same time, so idk.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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3B was still very ship heavy. It was the season they established had a destined true love and when they were still in the early stages of pushing CS.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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That’s not a good idea. Hook shouldn’t be getting random flashes of Emma if he’s cursed. Just as all the others weren’t getting random flashes of their past lives and true loves during the first curse. It’s…poetic (?) but it doesn’t fit and it throws Hook back into that constant loop that I mentioned earlier. I get if it happens once or something but it shouldn’t be a thing that keeps happening just because. Regardless, I’d prefer JMO to be in the finale as opposed to the premiere. Once the curse is presumably broken we see the entire cast reunite. I think Hooks purpose is going to be based more on helping Henry along with the others to fight the darkness or whatever to undo the curse. I don’t think it will take the whole season to break it but I think it will take the whole season before we do see all the old regulars again. I think when Emma does appear it needs to be a big moment. I’d want in her a single epic episode to reunite with her son and together take on this entity whatever it is. Not boiling her down to being someone’s wife.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
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And that has nothing to do with ships. Emma’s statement is just plain wrong no matter what way you wish to look at it. I see no evidence to say that Emma spent entire seasons not believing in love when she herself confessed to love (both romantic and familial) multiple times and was shown that she knows love and believes in it (her battle with Cora, the fact that the pendant survived the curse is still a show of that as well, her giving Henry the kiss, her confessing her love for Neal multiple times, Graham situation).
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