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It didnt let me quote the newest script tease but this is my reaction to it:
I know im not interpreting the scene right but still
[adrotate group="5"]"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICThey might get shows on Freeform,
whatever happened to that horror show they were apart of? Is that still a thing? Did that go well?
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICThe whole pretense that Regina is still the mayor and that that has any meaning is one of the dumbest world building things that is going on right now. Like why? That makes no sense at all. Is Regina seriously still doing paper work? It is just idiotic.
Yeah, when u think about it, technically wouldnt Snowing be “elected” the new mayor because the people would be more…accepting of them. Like why would anyone obey Regina still outside of fear. But idk. Guess shes still acknowledged as the mayor for the same reason Granny still works in a diner.
“We were cursed.”
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICThat wedding dress just confirms that the heteronormalisation of Emma Swan is now complete.
It’s like some kind of weird version of Get Out.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICDamon and Elena ended up together and Buffy and Spike are absolutely endgame. Just look at the continuation of the show they’re doing through the comics. They’re 100% together and even engaged.
But…if thats 2… and you said 3/4….
Ya know what I’m just going to let that one slide. Anyway, have the Buffy comics actually finished yet? Or are Buffy and Spike together at the moment currently and your just hoping it lasts all the way until forever? And a google check says:
The Hunters: Destiny Rising, Elena finally chooses Stefan over Damon to be her eternal life partner and mate.”
to my knowledge it only seems Damon and Elena end up together in the show but googling them is difficult given it seems no one actually cares about the books(?). So even if we take adaptations and other material that’s still not even half
But yeah. None of that makes me take back what I said. Hook still fits that archetype In that love triangle
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICBuffy and Spike didn’t end up together, if I recall correctly even though it’s been years. Jacob and Bella didn’t end up together. He ended up with her toddler. Sookie and Eric damn sure didn’t end up together. Sookie wound up with Sam in the books and some random guy who we didn’t even see in the tv show. And while my knowledge of TVD is really faulty, I’m not actually certain whether or not Damien (Damon? Desmond?) ended up with Elena because I heard it was Stefan in the books. So either one of us can’t do math or 3/4th means something different to the other or we saw different versions of one of those things. Even if I take an L on TVD that’s still only 1/4th that ended up endgame.
And even then, I’m talking about personality. Hook kinda fills that required “Bad Boy” option that every love triangle has to have. The one who is just an alternate option for the “girl” to have some fun with for a while. Not usually the endgame. The leather pants wearing bad boy
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICYou don’t see me going on the Emma/Neal thread and saying that it’s statutory rape.
Actually, you did do that…..
You were all up in the SF thread calling us bitter this and hateful that, and I was the one who posted the link to the CS thread for you to come to, which you never did at the time.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICDo you think that the writers planned to have Hook be the one to end up with Emma right from the beginning when they introduced him? Or do you think they saw how much the fans liked him and switched the story to kill off Neal and begin Hook’s transformation into a better person so he can be worthy of Emma? Do you think they killed off Neal bc they felt they couldn’t really give Hook the full spotlight as Emma’s true love if Neal was still around?
Parts of this. I think 1) Hook was always intended to be a villain who would turn hero and join the Scooby gang for an adventure 2) That Hook and Emma were always supposed to have this “Will they/Won’t they” thing going on. Everyone admits they had/have chemistry, that is undeniable. 3) That Neal wasn’t planned to die. He was too big of importance to the story and characters to have died without doing anything or resolving anything with anyone. No way that was planned. His death as a way to pave the road for CS? Sure. Emma would never have been able to go on had he lived (Emma said it in the show, JMO said it in a panel I think.) And just imagine how Hook would be perceived had Neal still been around. Look at the things Hook does now. Having Neal there as a constant comparison would only make Hook look worse (and I don’t mean this as a bash against Hook, but outside of Emma he has no story. Bae could still be a valid part of this story without being with Emma. Hook can’t. He’d constantly feel “in the way”, at least for me personally. Neal seems like a pretty decent dude, Hook is still a work in progress who thus far is still making excuses for his actions and not facing punishment for them). So yeah, I think in order for CS ship to sail, there had to be no one else for Hook to “compete” against. But most importantly:
I think the show itself, in a meta way, was supposed to be a new, original, modern, unconventional fairytale with the original characters (Neal, Emma, and Henry) being the stars. I don’t believe for one second Captain Hook was ever intended to be the endgame for Emma.
Especially up against Neal or Graham. Seriously, I think Graham would have given everyone a run for their money, even Neal.
Hook and Emma having chemistry from the start, flirting with eachother from the start, or whatever doesn’t really make me feel like that’s a sign they were meant to be endgame. The entire story of Emma and Neal makes me see that was supposed to be something major that got sidelined.
So put me in the boat of thinking the writers cast this dark and handsome popular pirate knowing he would eventually be Emma’s right hand man
Yeah, Right Hand Man. Not her husband, in my view. I always felt Hook and Emma would be flirtacious and all that, but in the end would just end up as friends. He’d be the Jacob to her Bella, the Damien to her Elena, the Eric to her Sookie. The Spike to her Buffy….. Okay, I’m all out of examples, but you get my point. I felt it was a huge missed opputunity making Hook so Emma centered instead of focusing on him, Rump, and Bae with Emma being secondary to that. I don’t feel he was supposed to live past S3A because it got to a point where it felt like he would just be there for no reason other than to be on screen for a moment. As Regina called him “the pirate mascot”.
So yeah, I think what kept Hook here was the fact that his character was popular and nothing more, and the story ( which i think started losing ratings more around S3) probably figured banking on him would save the show. It didn’t. And now with a good portion of the remaining watchers being those who are content with CS, it wouldn’t make sense to get rid of him now.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICMichael, we are actually trying to have a discussion about CS and Hook and the divide in this forum.
You were in the SF thread awhile ago were you not? Mmmkay then.
Anyway what I was saying earlier is that I don’t think it’s fair to label the entire site this way or that way all because the people here are disagreeing with your ship. There are plenty of other sites that may as well label themselves the anti-Neal brigade and might as well call the show the Once Upon A Hook hour. Where if I say “Well I don’t think A&E intended CS from the start” they’ll act like I just said Hitler had some pleasant ideas. It feels like what you all mean by balance is that either we all love Hook or we are all toxic and hateful. I don’t know about that but if im order to enjoy the show better others had to find other sites I see nothing wrong with that. I don’t know why it’s always Hook that does this (I even had a thread called why is Hook such a divisive character if anyone wants to look at that) but it seems like everyone is cool being critical of any other character here but it’s HIM that just drives people to extremely different reactions.
Anyway, has this show shown other characters being “intimate”. I know there was Regina/Graham getting out of bed… and Snowing under the covers naked….and RumBelle was seen in bed once….hmm. Show is pretty chaste for an 8’o clock show. Needs to take some lessons from True Blood 😉
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICthen why would you NOT want to be seen as anti-Hook?
I have no issue being seen as Anti-Hook. I’m talking about the forum. The forum isn’t like some official place of anti-hookness. The people who remain here just aren’t aboard that shit because everyone else left. In other words, don’t let our views become the face of the forum. They aren’t. The other CS fans and Hooks fans are just as welcome her as SwanQueen or DavyJones shippers.
And beyond that, it doesn’t matter what the reasons are for not liking Hook. A lot of CS fans didn’t want to hear anything negative, any kind of criticism about him as a character and it lead to a bunch of squabbling. A lot of people see nothing wrong with the way he is written or what the show seems to promote by putting Emma with him. We can see that here in quite a few thread discussions recently, that some people aren’t open to discussion or that some views just can’t find a middle ground. There is pettiness on both sides. There are toxic people on both sides. There are also valid opinions and views on both sides. It shouldn’t be one sided.
But when no one here wanted to just hop on the CS swan ship, a lot of them left and it became that way. Even @Michael just said if we were more open to CS fans the forum would be more lively. We are open to them. None of them want to be in a place that disagrees with their views so they went to other sites. there is an a whole CS thread here where people can come and bask in Hook all they like. There are ship threads here everywhere. Everyone is welcome. But no one needs to silence their views for others.
I do want to be seen as anti-Hook but I don’t want that to be because (as some people keep saying) that it’s because Neal died. That’s just a cop out excuse that keeps being used.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC
