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This season he’s had storylines with Emma, Henry, and Belle. He’s going to have one with Charming, and of course more CS.
Storylines? Which were what? He’s had dialog with them…he’s had scenes with them. What is Hook’s role in this season, let alone the show other than Emma? Let’s discuss that then I will address ur other points.
See, Regina is dealing with her inner darkness quite literally. Emma is dealing with what it means to be the savior. Rumpel….is addressing his issues as being a crappy father, husband, and all around bad guy. Whats Hook doing?
And just to prove my point, you are making every criticism about Hook as a character about ships. No, its not about Cs vs SQ. Its not about SF vs CS. For some it is, sure, but that’s not the entire fandom. It just seems like Hooks character exists solely because of CS, his entire function on this show is to be Emma’s boyfriend, and anyone saying he needs to be written better is taken as being a CS hater. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t see the appeal of the ship, but my issues with Hook go beyond that.
Emma is basically in the background except when she needs to pat Regina on the back and assure her how perfect she is and how good of a person she is
This is exactly what Hook does! All he does it sit around and reassure Emma that she “can do it” and to believe in herself, blah blah. I can’t imagine what this show would become without all the other characters. Emma and Hook together don’t do anything but swoon. Tell me i’m wrong. Even Emma’s dark swan arc was downgraded to be nothing more than a CaptainSwan plug.
They work together because Charming wants Emma to be happy and Hook wants Emma. Henry and Snow are the exact same way. They interact with Hook because he is always with Emma
And let us not forget what Henry’s true feelings of Hook are, as revealed through the shattered mirror curse.
[adrotate group="5"]"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICThis isn’t the thread for this discussion. I replied to you guys over at https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/why-is-hook-such-a-divisive-character-within-the-fandom/page/5/#post-331864
I’m saying nothing more on it here.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICSo this is my short response to another comment in the filming thread:
Much of it is an overreaction due to the nature of the character and him offending easily offended people.
I’m not offended at Hook. I am just unimpressed with his storyline or lack thereof. He’s boring and repetitive. He’s not a “Regina” or a “Rumpel” in the sense of being a layered villain, anti-hero, whatever you want to call it. He just isn’t doing anything besides swarming Emma all the time. What in this show would be effected if he were eliminated? In the words of Regina, he’s the pirate mascot of the group. I don’t care to see much of him unless or until he becomes a relevant character, and when that happens I do applaud it (him as Dark One Hook was very enjoyable and refreshing).
In short, I just want the character to be interesting. Seriously. What is he doing right now in the show? What is his purpose to the overall series? Outside of Emma, does the character have any weight and if so what is it??
Many people love her and just as many people hate her. It doesn’t help that Regina is a character that gets white washed a lot of her crimes, like the rape and murder of Graham for instance. And then she holds Zelena to some impossible standard when she literally has done the same if not worst things then her sister. However she doesn’t want to admit to them or the writers don’t want her too, and it makes her come off not in the best way.
I disagree that Regina generates as huge a divide as Hook because she was a fan favorite from day one. There are people who dislike her, but I wouldn’t say its a fandom wide war between those who love and those who hate her. Anyway, I feel the exact same way about Hook. He’s the one who gets his crimes whitewashed. With Regina, she has had her ups and downs, but she has been going the road of a hero for a long time and struggling along the way. She is acknowledging and trying to get past her dark past and evil ways. So much so that she literally felt the need to rip it out of her. Hook on the other hand is constantly being given a free pass because so many of his fans are sensitive to any kind of criticism of him as a character. It seems the writers go out of their way to show him in a positive light, especially in flashbacks, where he was supposed to be this ruthless, tyrannical pirate out for revenge, but no guys he was really sensitive and nice the whole time.
No one on this show is great. But it seems like Hook is just handed the crown the of heroism while everyone had to work for it. That everything negative he does gets pushed aside because he’s Hook and that he doesn’t actually need a story arc because…well I guess him being on screen and kissing Emma is enough for some people. It’s not a competition, but to say that Regina gets her crimes whitewashed and not Hook is incredibly….wild. I acknowledge that may be the case though.
And also, I don’t have an issue with Regina getting “three hours of screen time” BECAUSE SHES ONE OF THE MAIN CHARACTERS AND IS ACTUALLY MOVING THE STORY FORWARD. Hook is not doing that. It has nothing to do with him just being Hook, if he were intereting, relevant, all the stuff that Regina is, i’d have no problem. But the CS fandom seems to require so little effort from Hook to stay invested.
Sorry, I need more than constantly reassuring Emma about stuff and making smexy eyebrows and quips to make an interesting character.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICHuh….. Tony Perez as in Regina’s dad??? Isn’t he off in heaven land?
Or is this her father from Fake!FTL? I’m guessing he’s alive because the curse was never casted? Interesting.
So RH is alive, Snowing is dead, and Regina’s father is also alive? I’m really betting EQ is going to decide to live in this world.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICMatt is right. I invite you over to the Captain Hook Discussion thread, Michael if you should need to see how others feel about Hook or more approrately the “Why is Hook Such A Divisive Character” thread. You are entitled to your view. But you cannot deny that Hook is a divisive character, in a way that Regina is not. You not liking her arc doesn’t take away that she is actually serving a purpose to move the story/season forward. But we can talk about that elsewhere.
Links to threads:
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICyet the character that has become overwhelming and claustrophobic to many viewers is Regina cause she’s literally been in almost every single scene of this season in some form and has over 3 hrs of screentime while other characters are nowhere near that level
You mean one of the main characters and fan favorites since the beginning of the show has tons of screentime? Hmmm? <del></del>There’s a huge difference between regina time on screen and hooks. Regina is actually doing something, having an arc, contributing to the story. Outside of emma, hook isnt adding anything to the story. He centers entirely around her.
This is not about being anti-CS or anti-hook. The last time Hook was actually a major part of the story was when he was Dark One and i heavily enjoyed that. But a lot of us dont like constantly having to watch Hook because hea just not doing anything relevant. CS adventure is going to be rhe same spiel no matter what way it goes.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI bet every cookie in the oven that CS wedding will be crashed by a villain to parallel snow and charmins.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICLike really why is this even a spoiler, OQ is dead
i will admit….i actually thought the ring would be from fake!robin to the EQ….. 🙁 but yeah no, this was to be expected. Im adding this as reason #419 the show may be coming to an end.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICwe got our Swanfire reference for the year and now…back to your regularly scheduled CS.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICHe didnt just turn her into a snake. He turned her into a caged snake. Thats odd. Why? Maybe he plans on retrieving her later and doesn’t want her to slither off?
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGIC
