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The first thing I thought of when I saw the lion tattoo was Richard the Lionheart but I agree that it is much more likely they’ll relate Robin to King George than to an historical figure like Richard. Now I want to see that story!
By the way, those who are fans of historical fiction might enjoy the trilogy of novels by Sharon Kay Penman which tell the story of Eleanor of Aquitaine, Henry II, Richard Lionhart and other members of that bunch. The books are:
When Christ and His Saints Slept (Stephen of Blois, Empress Maude)
Time and Chance (Henry II, Eleanor, Thomas Becket)
Devil’s Brood (Richard Lionheart, Hal, and John)
[adrotate group="5"]My poetry skills are terrible, but this is such an amazing coincidence that I have to tell the story and contribute one verse to get it started. Maybe others with more talent can pick it up and add more verses. Just a few days before seeing this thread, I ran across an old album of Disney songs which included Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo from Cinderella. I had always been impressed with how lyrical Lana Parilla’s name is but as I listened to the song, it dawned on me that her name is in dactyl meter just like the song! (Here’s a link just in case there is anybody who doesn’t know it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4tgAplgxto
So, I started trying to think of lyrics using Lana’s name that could be set to the tune of Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo.
Here’s what I came up with:
Lana Parilla Bibbidi-Bobbidi-Boo
Lana Parilla,she plays Regina.
She does it very well.
We see the Queen
there on our screen
and we fall under her spell.
Now maybe those of you with more talent than I can add some additional verses using the skills I’ve seen in the previous posts to this thread. Better yet, maybe somebody can sing it!
By the way this business of poetic meter fitting songs reminds me of the old observation that many of Emily Dickinson’s poems were written in common meter (alternating iambic tetrameter and iambic trimeter) which means they nicely match the rhythm of many popular songs. Try singing
“Because I would not stop for Death
he kindly stopped for me”
to the tune of the theme from Gilligan’s Island! Once you do, you can’t get it out of your head!
What about her apples?
Well, being lazy, I’ll paste here some thoughts I had written about that back in the first season:
In the season finale, “A Land Without Magic”, Regina asks Snow “Did you know that apples stand for health and wisdom?” which is quite true. European art traditionally depicts an apple as the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge described in the book of Genesis. Adam and Eve were happy in the Garden of Eden before eating the apple but after they gained knowledge from eating it they were banished from paradise. The apple plays a similar role in other cultures. In Greek mythology, Hera, the queen of the gods, grew apples. Eris, the goddess of discord, threw one of these apples onto a table occupied by Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite. The apple was said to be intended “for the fairest of all” and all three goddesses immediately disrupted the peaceful feast by fighting for the apple. When Prince Paris of Troy awarded the apple to Aphrodite, Hera and Athena sought revenge by supporting the Greeks against the Trojans in the Trojan War as described in Homer’s Iliad.
So the apple reminds us that knowledge leads to a loss of innocence and to conflict. This theme is reminiscent of Henry’s loss of innocence when he discovers that Regina has another life as a vicious killer and she is not just the loving mother who cared for him when he was little. His newly acquired knowledge, symbolized by the apple, must lead him into conflict with her that will eventually culminate in him choosing to eat the poison apple turnover in order to protect Emma in episode 21, “An Apple Red As Blood”. If Henry winds up living with Emma he will have earned his escape from Regina through courage and half a lifetime of tears.
(The original, more long-winded post is at http://www.onceuponatimespace.com/q3HenryLvRegina.html )
Back in July, somebody posted a composite picture in the forum showing him in Season One, Season Two, and a picture of him on the way to Vancouver to begin filming the first episode of Season Three. Sorry I can’t recall the original poster or the name of the thread at the moment, but I will try to find it for you later and post a link here. Or maybe somebody else remembers where to find it.
Great observations! I hadn’t noticed these but I did note in the pilot that we saw Regina’s living room contains a reproduction of the famous Antonio Canova sculpture of Psyche Revived by Cupid’s Kiss. In Roman literature, Psyche was “the fairest of them all” and when Cupid fell in love with her, Venus tried repeatedly to keep them apart. Eventually, Venus caused Psyche to fall into a deep sleep until Cupid awakened her with a kiss, as depicted in the sculpture. A pretty good fit to the Snow White story!
While typing the above paragraph, I just had a funny thought. The story of Cupid and Psyche would be a perfect fit to the Snow White story if it weren’t for the fact that Cupid is the son of Venus. Does this mean history will repeat itself in a few years if Henry grows up to fall in love with a woman who does not meet Regina’s approval? Imagine having the Evil Queen for a mother-in-law!
I don’t read the chat but I have nothing against it. I avoid it mainly because it contains spoilers, which I try to avoid. In fact, I usually zoom my browser view so that the right hand side of the page containing the chat window isn’t even visible on the screen. That way I can stay spoiler-free while others are free to enjoy the chat. I also tend to avoid all chats wherever I encounter them, but that’s just me. Those that are reasonably active scroll so quickly that I find it difficult to read quickly enough to keep up, let alone compose any kind of reply. This is aggravated by the fact that the need for rapid typing leads people to use a great many abbreviations and to often throw spelling, grammar, and punctuation to the wind. Put all these conditions together, and I find it very difficult to decipher most chats. So, I’m glad to hear that many of the topics discussed are showing up here in the forums where I can encounter them at my own leisurely pace. Here’s hoping both media stay active.
I haven’t figured out what Pan is up to either; it’s hard to know how much of what he says should be believed. I was impressed by the fact that Henry so quickly went from reluctance to shoot at Felix to willingness to shoot at Pan. I thought the scene did a good job of showing Henry’s dilemma. Unlike the adult “good guys” in the show, Henry has never been in combat and the decision to shoot someone, even Pan, could not have been easy for him. But despite being good, Henry is also smart and probably realized that shooting Pan might be the only way to save himself and his family. So even though he didn’t want to risk killing Felix as part of one of Pan’s games, he quickly decided he was willing to shoot Pan in order to (he hoped) put an end to the whole business.
Perhaps Pan needs to darken the heart of “The Truest Believer” in order to achieve his goals. Tempting Henry to violence may be part of it and digging up Henry’s abandonment issues, which Pan alluded to in the last episode may be part of it too. We know Henry has said all along that he understands why Emma gave him up, but Emma said last season that she understood why her parents gave her up and we saw it didn’t erase the feelings that were buried inside her. Henry must have had some of the same doubts about his birth parents before he got the storybook and I suspect Pan is going to try to bring out those buried feelings.
Dislike: Henry saying he doesn’t like apples. I understand you were poisoned with an apple turnover, but come on that was a complete diss to Mama Regal!!! You don’t just come from a side of Charming…you come from a side of Mills and soon Hood! Gonna post this pic because I love it so much!!!!!
While I actually liked this line for the fun of the recurring theme (like the little girl bringing a pear instead of an apple to Mary Margaret in the pilot) I also had a thought similar to this complaint. After all, despite his experience with the poisoned turnover, Henry probably grew up eating apple turnovers, pies, cobblers and other dishes baked by Regina. If he ate them before, it seems unlikely that one bad experience would permanently change his taste. On the other hand, maybe he never liked apples to begin with and Regina could never get him to eat any of her apple concoctions. Now I’m wondering if we’ll see a flashback of Regina trying unsuccessfully to feed applesauce to a finicky baby Henry! That could be a cute scene with the applesauce winding up all over Regina instead of in Henry.
Favorite: Regina’s question to Tink in Neverland: “How did you get like this” was a repeat of Emma’s line to Regina way back in the second episode of the first season (“The Thing You Love Most”) I love the fact that we get to see how both “got this way”.
Blue’s line “I no longer believe in you” was also a great reference to the original Peter Pan story.
Least favorite: Charming’s mispronunciation of “nuclear” as “nuk-ye-lar”. This is the first time I have ever had a really strong “least favorite” piece of dialog but this is one that always grates on my ears.
I really liked just about everything inthis episode, starting with the opening title sequence of Tink flying around the titles in a way that was so reminiscent of the opening scene of Disney’s Wonderful World of Color. My favorite part was theTink-Regina relationship and seeing how it formed one more step in Regina’s path to becoming the Evil Queen.
I agree with Phee’s comment:
that Neal’s use of Roland might be foreshadowing of him coming to better understand his father. I also agree that it serves as another example of the recurring theme of questionable moral choices for all the characters. I have a hunch Pan is going to try to manipulate all the characters into making bad choices. But I also believe that Neal didn’t believe he was putting Roland into any significant danger. Neal had experience saving a kid from the shadow when it took him from the Darlings, so he was reasonably confident that he could do it again
