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@Phee wrote:
The package that Emma got in jail had been posted from Phuket. August took the money and ran, then mailed the keys back to her. This is why I don’t get how people can still think that August played some role in the adoption, because I’m pretty sure he had zero interest in setting foot on American soil ever again once he ran away, and he was already in Phuket before Emma even took the pregnancy test.
Good point! I forgot about that. They’ve certainly set up some mysteries to surprise us in the future.
[adrotate group="5"]@KFChimera wrote:
Yes, he made a deal then…makes sense, but with whom did he deal? My first guess was August but he was also awol in Phuket. Could THIS have a tie to the organization of Tamara and Greg!!
Probably not…fun to speculate though !Maybe not. We saw in “Tallahassee” that Emma was already pregnant when August took the money from Neal. He might have stuck around for a few months setting up the adoption before leaving for Phuket.
@HappyEndings wrote:
Of course, it could certainly be the case that the other interpretation is the correct one and the curse literally prevented him from seeing that time was frozen until he got the book. I just don’t like that interpretation because it eliminates the years of dramatic conflict between Regina and Henry. It requires the rupture in their relationship to be compressed into the month between the time he received the book and when he left to find Emma. That’s an awfully sudden change for Henry to deal with.
Yea, I have to agree with that but remember Emma asked the Cricket if Henry was acting out before the book and he was way before he got the book. Come on they all watched tv, and had the internet so I am sure Henry figured out something was wrong way before he was 10 years old. And you are right now he is too old to be used in flashbacks which is too bad that would have been nice to see how and when Henry was putting two and two together.
Yes, but the argument that he was directly affected by the curse would imply that the curse would prevent him from figuring out that something was wrong, despite the clues. But as I said, I don’t like that argument because if Henry hadn’t noticed time was frozen then some other explanation is required to explain his conflicts with Regina and his need for therapy before he got the book.
Perhaps the “hole” inside Regina which Maleficent warned her about could have been the source of her original conflicts with Henry, but I don’t like that interpretation because it makes their conflict something that would have been a permanent part of their relationship, from the time Henry arrived in Storybrooke to the end of the first season, instead of a change brought about by his awareness of time. And change is almost always a more powerful dramatic element than constancy.
As Phee observed, K&H have at times given slightly different wordings of the the statement that Henry was affected by the curse. After listening to the most recent episode of the official podcast, I agree that it sounds as if they meant the curse prevented him from realizing time was frozen until he got the book, but I think there is still room for a little ambiguity and they may be trying to avoid saying too much about details to be revealed in a future episode.
Even though some of their comments might contradict this interpretation, I still like the idea that Henry was only indirectly affected by the curse, in the sense that he grew up surrounded by it and not initially questioning it. As Adam said, a five year old wouldn’t notice that time was frozen. But I like to think that once he started school, he would notice that he was the only kid who grew and moved on to a new grade each year – and that realization was what originally fuelled his conflicts with Regina. After all, we learned in “The Thing You Love Most” that Henry had been having problems with Regina for years before he got the book. In this interpretation, the book just served to identify Regina as the Evil Queen and give Henry an explanation for why time was frozen in Storybrooke, so it could be said to bring him out of the haze in that sense.
Of course, it could certainly be the case that the other interpretation is the correct one and the curse literally prevented him from seeing that time was frozen until he got the book. I just don’t like that interpretation because it eliminates the years of dramatic conflict between Regina and Henry. It requires the rupture in their relationship to be compressed into the month between the time he received the book and when he left to find Emma. That’s an awfully sudden change for Henry to deal with.
Unfortunately, they won’t be able to show us much of this in a flashback since Jared Gilmore has already grown too much to play ten year old Henry again, let alone an eight year old Henry. But maybe we will at least get some discussions of it in the show.
@HappyEndings wrote:
What is Fic recs?
Is this just what people think or write short stores or what? No facts to back to support anything just people ideas huh ❓ 😕As for the bike idea he walked to catch the School Bus so where would he put his bike when catches the bus on the sidewalk?
Yes, these are stories written by fans. They have no official connection to the canon of the show and range from terrible and inconsistent with the show to beautifully written works that are carefully constructed to be consistent with not only the events seen in the show but the emotional themes of the show as well.
I was assuming he ought to have a bike for other times, even if he walks to school. After reading your comment, I just remembered that we did see Henry ride a bike in one scene – at the beginning of “Fruit of the Poisonous Tree”. I had forgotten about that scene until now. I don’t recall any other scene of him with a bicycle, though.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
@HappyEndings wrote:
Remember that Henry left the city on a bus that was supposedly never comes to SB, remember Red fighting with ther Grandma and she was waiting at the bus stop 😕
Hm. Henry is such a resourceful kid that I’m almost willing to be he hiked to another bus stop. Or maybe just walked, because you’re right the bus never comes to SB.
Over in the thread at https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=3729 we discussed an interesting fanfic at http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9119020/1/Growing-Up-in-Storybrooke which posits that Henry rode his bike to a nearby town to catch the bus. This conveniently explains why Henry has no bicycle despite having a wealthy mother. In the story, he lost his bike on the trip.
Since Ruby was waiting for the bus, I assumed that expecting buses that never come was just part of the curse. Emma was the one who observed that “Buses out of town don’t really happen.”
Regina would have to be black pepper! Or perhaps red chile, since she sometimes wears red (I was tempted to say green chile since that is my favorite, but red and black seem to be Regina’s colors.)
If Neal is a bowl and Emma is soup, Henry could be crackers in the soup or perhaps a spoon.
Pinocchio must be a wooden spoon!
I thin Archie would be a measuring cup, since as a conscience he helps calibrate others.
@LaurieAnne wrote:
@TimeSpacer wrote:
I like
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9119020/1/Growing-Up-in-StorybrookeIt offers a perspective not seen in most other fan fics.
I just read this one and I loved it!
I was surprised to learn that in the official podcast this week, Kitsis and Horowitz said that the curse put Henry in a haze until he got the book from Mary Margaret. I think the alternative explanation given in this fanfic is much more dramatic! It’s also more consistent, since the curse didn’t put Kurt and Owen in a haze, although I guess they could get around that by claiming the haze doesn’t affect un-cursed people until they have been in Storybrooke for some time – say weeks or months. Still, I like the fanfic version better.
I like
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9119020/1/Growing-Up-in-StorybrookeIt offers a perspective not seen in most other fan fics.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Whoa! That’s good. And terrifying all at the same time. Revert him back to his “cursed” self, as it were, since the curse more or less put him in a haze for the first 10 yrs of his life.
Thanks. I see what you mean about his “cursed” self in the sense of his earlier life but I don’t think the curse actually put him in a haze. I think he just needed time to figure out what was going on in Storybrooke as he grew up. I’ve always imagined his experience was probably close to what someone wrote in this fanfiction at
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/9119020/1/Growing-Up-in-Storybrooke which was posted in an earlier thread (which I can’t find at the moment.) It suggests Henry’s problems with Regina stemmed from the fact that she wouldn’t answer his questions about time being frozen in Storybrooke (I love the line “I could make a birdhouse in my sleep”). Resetting his memory would let her finally answer his questions on her own terms.
