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@slurpeez108 wrote:
@Phee wrote:
Could Henry be immune to certain types of magic, like his bio mother is? I know he’s got that blank expression in the half second clip when it happens, but that could be deceptive, and maybe that’s when he calls her evil, right after she tries the spell on him and it fails. Perhaps?
That’s a really interesting idea! Like Emma, Henry is also the product of true love. It’s very possible he has good magic within him, too, which can deflect dark magic like when Emma repelled Cora from taking her heart. I would LOVE the see the shock on Regina’s face if she tried to curse Henry but it backfired and he saw her true colors. That would be hard to explain away.
I normally avoid spoilers but I came here for the video and got interested in the clever theories being proposed after I saw the scenes from the upcoming episode in the video and read some of the discussion here. Since I got my feet wet, I might as well jump in the lake and offer a theory of my own!
I like the idea that Henry might have inherited magic from Emma and be immune to Regina’s spell. Even so, it’s possible his magical abilities won’t develop until puberty, so maybe Regina can still put him under a spell.
Either way, it raises the question what kind of spell is she using? We know it can’t be the Curse of the Empty Heart because she destroyed that curse and she doesn’t have Snow’s heart. I have a pet theory I’ve been guessing about ever since the first season finale (and I’ve been WRONG about it ever since then!) so I’ll go ahead and try and use it one more time (and probably be WRONG again.) Here goes.
It sounds like Regina may try and use the beans to leave Storybrooke with Henry. We’ve seen that she realizes she can’t force him to be with her, so what kind of spell could convince him to go with her willingly? What if she just erases his memory of the last two years, so his last memory is of events just before Mary Margaret gave him the book? Whatever other conflicts Henry may have had with Regina, he would not associate her with the Evil Queen at that time and Regina could explain his memory loss with a version of the the “truth” altered to put her in the best light. She could certainly support her claim by showing him magic and she could warn him that they have to flee because an evil sorceress named Emma Swan has come to town!
[adrotate group="5"]I agree that Lacey is the perfect temptation for Rumple. Just as he’s struggling with his fear versus his wish to avoid hurting Henry and as he’s trying to be good for Bae and for Belle, Lacey tempts him with the thought that giving in to darkness may be the closest thing he can have to getting Belle back (as Lacey.) Great conflict for the character!
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@myril wrote:Sounds like an interesting story, Kyle. 😎
Do you know, that Johannes Kepler (the 17th century scientist) wrote a fantasy, or should call it science fiction called Somnium (The Dream)? It’s about travel to the moon and how things, the universe would look like from there. He wrote it to illustrate and support the heliocentric model of Kopernikus. Interesting story. The protagonist learns from his mother, a wise woman (others would have called her a witch), after some travel on his own, that he is the son of the demon of Lavania, the demon of the moon. And he learns, that it is possible to travel to the moon. Although it takes some supernatural powers in this story to get there, Kepler got some things scientifically right, having already an idea that gravitation has to be overcome and that this would stress the body.
Anyway. Geeking out here 😆Great coincidence on the story title. I can’t resist adding that Kepler’s mother was actually arrested and charged with witchcraft because it was assumed she used spells to enable him to write the book. He did eventually manage to free her, though it took a lot of effort to make people understand he had only used imagination and mathematics.
Oops, the times should of course reflect Daylight Savings Time. I’ve edited the original post to state that all the times are EDT, not EST.
@WeWereCursed! wrote:
I don’t remember there being as many (or as long) hiatuses last year. There was the winter one, and then the usual week-skips like for Superbowl Sunday, but were there these random for seemingly no reason breaks?
I don’t remember exactly how it was broken up, but the total amount of hiatus time last year was just a little less than this year. They aired the same number of episodes and ended the season in the second week of May, just like this year, but the difference is Season One began later: on October 23, while Season Two began on September 30. So the first season had the same number of episodes packed into a season that was three weeks shorter.
Hoping to distract Henry from his question, Emma returned to the magazine. “This whole thing is written as if it’s describing a TV show. But it’s a show about us. Why would somebody make a fake magazine full of pictures of people in this town? It looks so real – just like a real magazine.” said Emma.
“Maybe it is real.” replied Henry. “If there are made up stories in the world about Snow White, and Dr. Frankenstein, and all the people in Storybrooke before they came here, why can’t there be made up stories about us too?”
@Keb wrote:
I think that she was called the original power, but not more powerful. I believe that dark magic is more powerful than anything but true love, because the price is high.
I don’t think that BF is capable of paying the price for dark magic, and so her power is far more limited. They’ve said that it requires a pure heart to get her to come, and she seems capable only of granting a very deep wish under particular conditions (like being selfless, brave, and true or whatever–it’s said that August couldn’t have been transformed if he was not).
I agree. It appears that the Blue Fairy’s magic, while powerful, is limited by things outside of her control. She can’t just cast a spell to do anything she wants but she can manipulate certain pre-existing conditions. The requirement that Pinocchio be selfless, brave, and true is the clearest example. She also stated on several occasions that there are things she can’t do: she couldn’t undo the effects of becoming The Dark One on Rumple, she couldn’t transform Gepetto’s parents, etc… I think this is part of the reason that fairies don’t have to pay the kind of price that users of dark magic must pay. Someone else (sorry, I can’t remember who) also mentioned the fact that the fairies can’t fall in love may be the price they pay for their magic.
So dark magic is more of a “Give me what I want and here’s the payment” sort of bargain while fairy magic is more like an altruistic sort of ability to find things that can make other people happy.
@charming wrote:
I doubt Henry is Peter Pan otherwise he would know Hook and hook would know him. just like Emma is no one else but Emma. I’m more inclined to believe Neal is Peter Pan just by what he said to Emma about knowing how to sail hook’s ship and this not being the first world he’s been to.
But that argument would only apply if Henry is Peter Pan (present tense.) The assumption is that he is not yet Peter Pan but he might become Peter Pan in the future. It would be as big a surprise to him as to us, since none of the characters (except possibly Rumple) seem to know exactly how time works between the worlds.
There’s a second time complication at work here also. While Snow and the characters from her world were born hundreds of years after their stories were written, we saw in “The Crocodile” that Hook sailed to Never Land right after Milah died. We’ve been told that event occurred at least “a couple of hundred years ago” or more, but J.M. Barrie wrote Peter Pan in 1904, just over a hundred years ago. So Never Land existed at least a hundred years before the story was written in our world. But Hook and Smee are the only characters we know for sure were there at that time. We know the Lost Boys were there at some time because Hook referred to them in the present day. And of course, since we don’t know who Peter Pan is, we don’t know if he has been to Never Land yet or not.
Does anybody else remember the infamous “Con of Wrath” from 1982? It’s a perfect example of the things that can go wrong with a con and how important it is to have good planning. It was such a debacle that people still talk about how bad it was and someone is even making a movie about it, which is described at
http://www.larrynemecek.com/conofwrath.htmLong ago, as a college student, I worked as a volunteer on a much smaller student-run SF con on campus. I was just a grunt so I don’t know much about the high level planning but I know they had the advantage of having access to campus facilities for meeting rooms and theaters, which were available to student groups at much less than the cost of commercial facilities, and they had something like $10,000 or so of up-front cash (this is in 1970’s dollars ) from university student activity fees to cover pre-convention costs before tickets went on sale. The con was a great experience and I enjoyed working on it for four years but I think they lost money every year, although they came close to breaking even in the later years.
I’m not trying to be discouraging, just offering a warning as Schmacky said that there are a lot of pitfalls that have to be planned for in advance. Personally, I would love to see a OUAT con and I would try to find the money to attend. But I also try to remember what Regina said in the pilot: “What he needs is a dose of reality.”
