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Here’s another big hint from “Child of the Moon” (2×07), which fairy dust posted back in November:
https://oncepodcast.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=58&t=2076[adrotate group="5"]Good point, Jessie, that Mary Margaret made the decision to kill Cora before using magic; magic was just the means, not the cause. But I also agree with everybody who has said that it is very realistic writing to show us that Henry wouldn’t see it that way. As much as he hates the things that Regina does, it’s understandable that he can’t hate his mother, so he blames magic (and there’s some basis for that in the case of Regina and Rumple). It’s reminiscent of when Regina couldn’t bring herself to hate Cora for killing Daniel, so she transferred all her rage to Snow White. At least Henry is dealing with his conflict with his mother in a healthier way.
@LaurieAnne wrote:
This is an interesting thread. I agree with how Henry is acting his age, WeWereCursed! Just blow it up! I think Ruby had a line when they were in the mines – “So, he’s just gonna blow it up?” or something like that. Henry is a natural leader. He just is eleven years old so sometimes his ideas are not well thought out. But I know his heart is in the right place. .
LaurieAnne’s comment reminded me of an interesting fact concerning all the fighting we’ve seen in the Enchanted Forest for control of the kingdom. In the end it won’t really matter whether Snow and Charming, as heirs of Leopold and Eva, win or whether Cora gets a posthumous victory which puts Regina back on the throne. If they return to monarchy and the Charmings win, the crown would pass from them to Emma (if she outlived them) and then to Henry. If Regina won, Henry would be her heir. Either way, Henry becomes king. Which is probably why the writers chose the name; Henry comes from the German “Heinrich”, which means “ruler”.
Maybe the curse initially blocked all outsiders entrance to Storybrooke, so Owen would not have been able to see the town at the end of the episode even if he had walked down the road. If that is true, it might explain why Regina waited 18 years after she lost Owen to adopt a child. Since there was no magic in Storybrooke except for the items she brought with her, perhaps she spent 18 years figuring out a way to use some of those items to enable outsiders to enter so she could bring in a child (Henry). Or perhaps August showed up 18 years later and did something that enabled Henry and others to eventually enter the town. I wonder if there’s an “OFF switch” so outsiders are blocked sometimes and not other times?
OK – I need to amend my previous post and add a “Least favorite” moment. A post by myril over in the “Initial Reactions” thread (https://oncepodcast.com/forums/posting.php?mode=quote&f=73&p=46972 ) reminded me that Kurt and Owen crawled into their tent during the “electrical storm” that was the creation of Storybrooke when they should have taken advantage of their car as a Faraday cage!
Otherwise, I still like all the “Favorite moments” previously mentioned and consider this a great episode and one of my favorites!
@myril wrote:
But what a bad camper Kurt was – hidding in a tent when a heavy thunderstorm is approaching is such a brilliant idea particular when havin a perfect faraday cage at hand in form of your own car. 😉
Great observation! I remember thinking the same thing at the time but I forgot to mention it when posting.
@Chexmex325 wrote:
I’m usually on the “Henry is just a kid, he’s gonna make stupid decisions” bandwagon but I’m sorry this time it was a little too much. Most of the time the only reason people are put in perilous situations or confrontations arise is because Henry is missing and off trying to do something that’s going to blow up in everyone’s face…someone please remember to lock up the dynamite next time.
I guess I cut him some slack because I see a little of myself reflected in the character. I remember when I was about eleven years old I got some beryllium for my chemistry set and for weeks I was determined to try to find a way to get my hands on an alpha source! (When you bombard beryllium nuclei with alpha particles you create a source of neutrons for nuclear fission.) And I didn’t even have the excuse of having to deal with magic-using parents! 🙂
I’m guessing Owen was so traumatized by what happened that he grew up to be very bitter and he hates Regina but he is smart enough to gather as much intel as he can and not directly confront her.
If Henry had his full name on the backpack, Greg would probably have recognized the name “Mills” but I’m guessing Henry only had his first name and phone number on the backpack. This would seem to be confirmed by the fact that when he called Regina, he asked “Is this Henry’s mother?”, not “Is this Mayor Mills?” So Greg has no idea yet that Regina is Henry’s mother.
If Greg is as emotionally damaged as I suspect, it could be bad for Henry when Greg finds out Henry is Regina’s son. He might think “You took away my loved one,so now I’m going to take away yours” and try to kill Henry. This would be an even more excruciating development for Regina if she had to fight the little boy she was once so fond of in order to save Henry. As one of the previous posters said, it might be the thing that finally makes her realize what she has done.
@Arkham258 wrote:
Did you guys notice Henry say, “you can’t kill my MOM!” Wow, quite a change from how he used to think of Regina in season 1. Is some of this stemming from his disappointment in Emma?
Well, he did say the same thing in the first episode of the season.
@Elle wrote:
I’m bit annoyed with Henry when yelled at his family about how they had to be good and not hurt Regina. It seems he forgot how many times she tried to kill them. And he continues to treat Emma horribly just because she lied–yes she was wrong, but as she apologized for it and told him how Neal had hurt her, he should try to understand.
.Interesting. I had exactly the opposite reaction. In fact, just before he started yelling, I was thinking somebody needs to yell at these people “YOU ARE STANDING IN FRONT OF A CHILD TALKING ABOUT KILLING HIS MOTHER!”
I also think Henry’s reaction to Emma’s lie is understandable. He would immediately forgive her for almost anything else (we saw in season one that he didn’t care that she had a criminal record or that he was born in jail) but he has been hypersensitized to lies from his mother by his experience with Regina. She lied to him about the curse for his entire life and made him question his own sanity for years. The only person he could turn to explain a confusing world, his mother, lied to him and only added to that confusion. Then, he found Emma and assumed she would be the perfect mother – the opposite of Regina. And then Emma lied to him too. Frankly, I think it’s impressive that he is as well-adjusted as he is. At least he’s not out trying to blow up buildings (only magic wells!)
I loved this entire episode. My favorite moment was the final scene with Snow and Regina. I thought Lana and Ginnifer did a superb job.
I also thought the “Empty Heart Curse” was a great way to create tension. From a character point of view we are pretty sure that Regina would never intentionally inflict physical harm on Henry and from an audience point of view, we are pretty sure they are not going to kill off major characters like Henry (or Rumple, Regina, etc…) Despite this knowledge they created a great sense of dramatic tension that Regina might actually use the curse on Henry (assuming they could find a plot device for her to somehow use Snow’s heart without actually killing her). I found it very easy to believe that Regina would be tempted to do this and thought there was a chance it might actually happen if they could write it in such a way that Ginnifer Goodwin and Jared Gilmore would still be on the show but playing cursed versions of their characters for a while.
The threat of the curse created a real concern for both characters just as the darkness in Snow’s heart has now created a concern for her. We have to worry that something really bad can happen to the character because they can put Snow through a lot of terrible things while still keeping Ginnifer Goodwin on the show. Making the audience worry that something might actually happen to the characters is a sign of good writing.
I didn’t really have a “least favorite” moment. I even liked the car chase and I find most Hollywood car chases to be cheesy and boring cliches.
@Kpercyman wrote:
Why August turned into a Wooden man when he came into this world as a boy? Is Ben still alive? Will Henry ever go back to his mother?
August turned back to wood because he failed in his duty to get Emma to believe in her destiny. The Blue Fairy told him he would remain a real boy so long as he was “Selfless, Brave, and True” but he gave in to temptation and wasn’t there for Emma until it was too late.
I’m curious to find out what happened to Ben also. And I want to see what happens when Owen meets Regina.
I think Regina is making it less likely that Henry will go back to her. We know he still cares about her because he spoke up for her, as he has before, when the Charmings were talking about killing her. But I completely understand why Henry rushed to Emma as soon as Regina destroyed the curse. Not only was she threatening to kill the grandmother he loves but she was planning to wipe out his personality and alter his mind. In a certain sense she was planning to “kill” the Henry who currently exists and replace him with a different version. Poor Henry loves his adoptive mom but he is terrified by her actions.
