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@NONNIE wrote:
Gold had a poison hook thrust into his chest. He would not be nice to anyone … let alone a kid like Henry. (inquisitive and most time strong willed and pushy) Patients in severe pain draw inward and are usually unable to deal with anything but their pain. They tend to turn and be angry on those around them. .
I agree. There have been times when I was in pretty severe physical pain and I was not as considerate to the people around me as I should have been. I thought the scene was perfectly in character. Gold is frightened, in pain, and remembering the Seer’s prophecy. So it is to be expected that he would snap at Henry. Of course, poor Henry knows none of this and is probably hurt and left wondering why his newly-discovered grandpa is so angry, which makes the scene all the more powerful.
As for my favorite moments, I thought all of Bailee Madison’s scenes were great. And I really liked seeing Snow and Regina talk in Granny’s.
[adrotate group="5"]A very interesting theory. I like it! Since there are also elements of Faust in both Rumple and Dr. Frankenstein, they may be spreading Goethe’s influence among several characters.
@CrownedWithLaurels wrote:
Haha! I sure had a laugh with the early version! I was laughing so hard! Here are a few of the ones I saved since they were so comical.
Glad you enjoyed it. Some of the lines can be pretty funny. When I was testing the code, the first line it gave me was, “Henry eats a typewriter” so I almost decided to make that the name of the game. But my favorites so far are: “David confuses a pig” and “Mr. Gold sits on a dagger.” Ouch!
I think Neal’s reaction in “Manhattan”, when Rumple offers to make him fourteen again, may have been foreshadowed last year in “7:15 AM” when Snow asked Grumpy about the memory-erasing potion. He replied with one of my favorite lines:
“I don’t want my pain erased. Wretched as it is, I need my pain. It makes me who I am. It makes me Grumpy.”
Well, theirs certainly has fancier graphics than the one I posted a few weeks ago! But I do think mine is easier to read. Some of the lines on theirs have very low contrast and they didn’t show Regina’s marriage to Leopold at all. If you didn’t see mine, I’ve attached it below.
@ItachiIshtar wrote:
I always found it odd that Regina ironically loves the grandson of her biggest enemies. True she didn’t know Henry was their grandson for the first 10 years, but afterwards you’d think her reaction would be a bit different. Now she will find out that he’s also the grandson of Rumple, which will make the situation even more awkward.
I don’t think it’s odd. Regina raised Henry from infancy so they naturally formed the bonds that would exist between any mother and child. By the time she found out who he was, it was too late – she couldn’t reject the child she had raised. We’ve seen that love for Henry is the one thing that may lead her to redemption. If she were completely evil, she would have gotten rid of Henry as soon as he became troublesome. After all, she knew once he brought Emma to Storybrooke that he was trying to break the curse, but she did nothing drastic to stop him. Anyone else trying to break the curse would have been killed quickly, but it appears Henry never even got a spanking! So even if Cora manages to pull Regina back toward evil, Regina (and we) have been reminded that the good that was once in her can sometimes be awakened and we may see it again.
Of course, we know their relationship became strained at some point. I’ve always assumed it happened when Henry became old enough to notice that time was frozen in Storybrooke and Regina lied to him about it. They probably had a long series of fights about the question which poisoned their relationship before Mary Margaret gave him the story book and Henry figured out that Regina was the Evil Queen. In any event, we’ve seen in “We Are Both” and in “Manhattan” that Henry was deeply hurt by the fact that Regina lied to him.
Now that Emma has fallen off the pedestal by lying to him, I suspect Henry will want to get to know his dad even more. And I suspect that in turn will mean that Regina is not the only one who will FREAKOUT – Rumple will also. Given Rumple’s devotion to Bae, I don’t think he is going to try to kill Henry because of the Seer’s prediction. Instead , I think he will become very protective of Henry to the point of trying to keep him away from Regina. I suspect the Seer’s prediction will come true when Rumple sacrifices either his life or, more likely, his powers to protect Henry from Cora.
@SpinningGold wrote:
And who told Henry who his mom was?
Nobody told him – in the pilot we learned that he stole Mary Margaret’s credit card and used it to pay for an internet search to find his birth mom because his relationship with Regina was so troubled.
@ItachiIshtar wrote:
I think what will happen is Cora will want Henry out of the way, because just like Daniel he is a “weakness” to Regina. Cora thinks power is the only true source of happiness, and she also wants Regina to herself. In order to protect Henry from Cora, Rumple could somehow sacrifice his Dark One powers, most likely via True Love’s Kiss from Belle and perhaps also winning back Bae’s respect for him. Rumple needs to choose who he truly loves over his addiction to magic.
I’ve been suspecting the same thing – it fits Cora’s character. Of course, she would have to command the Dark One to do it in such a way that Regina wouldn’t find out – otherwise Regina would never forgive her. This has been foreshadowed twice now – first in “Queen of Hearts” when Rumple suggested that if Regina killed Snow and Emma in the well, “Henry could hardly blame you” and in “Manhattan” when Cora suggested they get Rumple to kill Charming, Snow, and Emma so that Regina would appear “blameless in the eyes of” Henry.
I wonder if the Seer’s prophecy that “You will be reunited with your son and it will come in a most unexpected way” has not yet come to pass. After all, Rumple found Bae in more or less the way he had planned, not in an unexpected way and their meeting didn’t really “reunite” them. Now, Henry is the one person who might get Bae to forgive Rumple and truly reunite them. So that could be what leads to Rumple’s “undoing.” It seems likely that Henry will want to get to know his dad. They could certainly share stories about what it is like to have an evil, magic-using parent. Who else could relate to their situations so perfectly? Henry’s willingness to forgive Regina might eventually lead Bae to develop similar feelings toward Rumple.
I agree that “undoing” might refer to him just losing his powers instead of dying. On the other hand, if Cora did obtain the dagger and command the Dark One to kill Henry, it’s possible Rumple might foil the plan by getting someone to kill him, just as Zoso did to Rumple.
Like most of the other posters, I don’t think Rumple will want to kill Henry based upon the Seer’s prophecy, but I do wonder what the combination of Belle’s memory loss and Bae’s rejection will do to Rumple. He may be in a very, very dark place right now.
Remember the story isn’t over yet! I agree with the original poster that good writing has to be internally consistent – even more so for fantasy writing than for stories about the “real world” because the viewer has to be made to feel the characters are real enough to care about, no matter whether they are dwarfs, fairies, or whatever. And I think just attributing any needed plot development to “fate” would be lazy writing. But I think if Kitsis and Horowitz intended to use the unlikely coincidence of Emma and Bae’s meeting (2 people out of about 300 million in the US!) purely as a plot device, they wouldn’t have brought it up in the conversation between Emma and Neal. If the show runs long enough, I think they may give us an explanation and that conversation was there to remind us that they recognise how unlikely the original meeting of Emma and Bae was, and they may address it in the future. In the meantime, it serves a great dramatic purpose.
I remember people complaining after the very first episode,”I can’t take this show seriously. What are the odds that Regina just happened to adopt Snow White’s grandson!” Well, even though we still haven’t seen all the details, we did find out in “Tallahassee” that adoption was probably no coincidence, thanks to the involvement of August. There could still be a lot of explanations for what brought Emma and Baelfire together. We all need to keep watching so the show can survive long enough to tell us that story!
