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Here! Here! I should count as two fans, at least in terms of intensity, if not also in terms of mass.
I’m even more impressed by the quality of OUAT when I reflect on the challenges of television production described in some of the books Gene Roddenberry and David Gerrold wrote describing their experiences with Star Trek.
[adrotate group="5"]I love the idea of a musical episode! I’ve read that Lana Parilla has a great voice. Perhaps they could show us a flashback of her singing a lullaby to the infant Henry. Adding music to a non-musical show can be an effective change of pace. I remember a surreal episode of Northern Exposure in which a complication of pregnancy caused one of the characters to lose the ability to speak – she could only communicate by singing. Here’s a clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrVGpy-UlEQ
The episode also gave star John Cullum a chance to sing as well, which was welcome since he had starred in musicals like 1776 earlier in his career. I wonder how many OUAT stars are good singers?Someone mentioned a Christmas episode also. I think they missed an opportunity to do a remake of Miracle on 34th Street. It would be ironic yet perfectly consistent with the characters if Henry believed in all the fairy tale characters but not in Santa Claus! Given Regina’s “What he needs is a dose of reality” approach to parenting, we would expect that she disabused him of that idea by the time he was out of diapers. Then, a mysterious fat man with a white beard shows up in Storybrooke trying to make Henry believe (and maybe Emma, too?). We aren’t certain who he is, but it’s clear he and Regina are old enemies. I’m sure the OUAT writers could add twists that would raise such an episode way above the level of generally inferior (in my opinion) remakes of this classic.
I haven’t gone through all the old posts, so I just discovered this one but I have to respond now and say I agree! Although I had seen some of the earlier episodes, “Desperate Souls” was the episode that really hooked me on the show because I was sitting there yelling at the TV “This is a Greek Tragedy!”
I think it’s very likely Rumple may wind up sacrificing himself for Bae or possibly even for someone else. It would fit the form of tragedy and would be consistent with his character. Despite being labelled a coward, Rumple ran into a heavily guarded burning castle to steal the dagger in order to save his son. I agree he’s not the Prince Charming type of hero who grabs a sword and rushes into the nearest fight, but Rumple has shown he can sometimes overcome his fear if the stakes are high enough. And as you say, we don’t know anything about the details of the Ogre War.
I love the idea of the library playing an important role and I hope we see Belle uncovering it this season. As for the book, at first I thought either Rumple or August wrote it. I hadn’t thought of Snow, but I really like that idea, if they could explain the final entry which showed Charming putting Emma in the wardrobe.
After watching “Queen of Hearts”, I had a new idea. Before the curse was enacted, Cora seemed awfully certain that Emma would succeed in breaking the curse in 28 years and she clearly wanted that to happen so she could be reunited with Regina when Regina would be at her lowest point. Could Cora have written the book, intending it for Emma? I don’t think we can be sure how much of her story and of Rumple’s was actually included in the book.
@myril wrote:
Interesting, I found that speech believable because seemingly it was making so little sense (to me it made a lot of sense). Regina is emotionally so confused. It’s a love-hate relationship she has with her mother. .
I agree. I always thought part of the explanation for why Regina blamed Snow for Daniel’s death was that on some level she just couldn’t bring herself to hate her mother even though Cora was clearly the one responsible. It was easier to blame the innocent little girl she barely knew.
@slurpeez108 wrote:
Emma’s power was unleashed in the episode when Emma deflected Cora with magic! Mr. Gold confirmed that Emma’s power is owing to the fact that she’s the product of true love, or put another way, she is true love incarnate, the most powerful magic of all. So, we’ve seen Emma’s ability several times. Emma created a separate hat for Jefferson in 1×17, which might have worked. When Emma decided to stay in SB, time started again, MM awakened David, and the mine shaft caved in when Emma put on her deputy badge. Emma recharged Jefferson’s hat just by touching it in 2×1 and broke the curse when she kissed Henry in 1×22. What else is Emma capable of now that she knows about her power? Is she a good wizard of sorts? Could she possibly break down the barrier between Storybrooke and the outside world? Is she more powerful than the Dark One’s magic?
Remember she also caused a transformer to blow out on a power line when she first arrived in Storybrooke in the pilot episode and slammed her car door in anger.
My favorite moment was when Emma said “No. It’s strength.” as she knocked Cora on her backside after Cora failed to take her heart!
Other good moments: Regina struggling with her decision whether or not to set the trap in the well and then stepping up to short-circuit the thing.
Regina finally earning a hug and forgiveness from Henry.
The ship sailing into Storybrooke! (I love anything nautical)
I haven’t tallied up exactly how many people feel Regina should have gotten a dinner invitation and how many disagree, but the fact that so many of the fans are split on this question tells me that the writers crafted that scene perfectly. The different fan reactions perfectly match the perceptions of the different characters and that sets up the potential for tragic conflict that none of the characters really intended.
If, like some fans, we look at it from the Charmings’ point of view, Regina has done a lot of horrible things yet Emma was at least civil to her in saying “Thank you” (a big change from threatening to kill her in the Season One finale). And that hug and thanks from Henry was huge – it was the first time in the entire series that he has shown genuine affection toward her. Despite that affection, his eagerness to leave her and go to dinner with the Charmings was perfectly understandable for an eleven year old kid. He hadn’t seen Emma and Snow since the first episode of the season and he had reason to fear that they were dead and David asleep forever. It was clearly a spontaneous reaction of a kid – certainly not a conscious effort to hurt Regina. I got a sense that Henry is now happy to spend time with Regina – he just wanted to do something different at the moment. After all, he can’t be expected to analyze the emotional needs of all the adults.
On the other hand, if we look at it from Regina’s point of view, it was like a dagger through her heart. She’s waited so long and done so much to earn Henry’s affection and as soon as she gets a few brief seconds of it, he pulls away to go with her enemies and she’s left alone. As several people have posted in this thread, Regina is going to need support to kick the magic habit and this is definitely not giving her support. We know Regina has always had a problem seeing things from other people’s point of view and that look on her face at the end told just how much pain she felt. Given Regina’s history of turning her pain into anger toward others, I think we are about to see a lot more conflict.
@EvilQueen wrote:
I don’t think the writers would ever think of viewers as rag dolls, in the end we are their source of income. But when they start a show with a clear idea in their mind, it’s hard to change it “because the viewers want it”, sometimes it wouldn’t make sense to the story they want to tell. I believe Once is not one of those shows that wonder in random directions according to fans’ wishes but that the writers actually have a clear idea of where they want the series to go and that they have a plan they need to stick to in order for the story to remain logical.
I agree. A good artist creates a work of art a certain way because it says what they want to say, not because they want it to be popular. If it doesn’t become popular, at least they have told the story they wanted to tell. If it does become popular, great! They will get a well-deserved reward for their work and then there will be a ton of copycat hacks producing poor copies of the same thing thing because it is popular.
I liked a LOT about this episode.
I enjoyed seeing Rumple and Belle get the hamburgers promised in the earlier episode. And I loved Granny in that scene!
It was great seeing Regina play with her chemistry set! The evolving relationship between Henry and Regina shown in that scene was very good. I agree with the description of it posted by Schmacky:.
@Schmacky wrote:But, this scene was great because if you’ve never seen this show before you can see there is a seriously strained relationship going on between them. But, you can also tell that each cares for the other but there is a giant elephant in the room that is keeping them apart.
On a little sidebar, can I say how AWESOME Regina’s face was when she said “If there’s one thing I know about your grandparents…. they always find each other.” LOL She was trying to be supportive of Henry but oh man you can see/hear/taste and feel that disdain and disgust she has for his grandparents lol.
The only part that didn’t really grab me was the zombies. They were OK to provide a little action to interrupt Aurora’s dream, but never really seemed to make much of an impression on me.
