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There were so many good moments in this episode, it’s hard to pick a favorite. While I really liked the scene near the end where Regina finally chose to do the best thing for Henry and let him go with David, I think I was even more impressed with the previous scenes that set it up. Regina’s decision was believable because of her scenes with Cora and her scene with Henry after she first brought him home. When Henry said “I don’t want to be you”, we saw her realize that she had become her mother.
There weren’t really any scenes I disliked, but if I had to rank one lower than the others, it might be the scene where young Regina returned the spell book to Rumple. It seemed like he convinced her to change her mind a little too quickly, but I realize they had a lot to fit into this episode and they still got the idea across.
[adrotate group="5"]timespacerParticipantThe idea that the Blue Fairy had her memories in Storybrooke is intriguing, but I still like the idea that Rumple was behind it. Even if he didn’t have his memories, since he designed the curse he could have designed in the equivalent of a post-hypnotic suggestion that would impel him to take any number of actions to break it. Finding the child of Emma may have been only one of many possible actions – knowing Rumple he would have had at least half a dozen backup plans.
timespacerParticipantI see two pretty easy ways around the questions of why would Maleficent and Regina both use the sleeping curse again after it had been shown that it could be undone by True Love’s Kiss (presumably on Aurora’s mother). First, remember that in “A Land Without Magic” Regina intended to kill Charming right after Snow ate the apple. So she didn’t expect Charming to be around to awaken Snow.
As for Maleficent’s use of the curse on Aurora, I agree with Phee that Aurora’s line “You’re not the only one who knows about sacrifice” may be significant for that. Perhaps Maleficent didn’t even use the sleeping curse on Aurora but Aurora exposed herself to it as a means of defeating some other kind of curse, which was perhaps aimed at Philip or her mother. There are lots of possibilities; we’ll just have to wait and see what the writers have in store. I’m betting it will be good, whatever it is.
timespacerParticipant@hjbau wrote:
Yeah, but there is wacko and then there is Regina. She like murders people, takes their hearts as trophies, cursed the whole world, sent children to their death. I mean there is a sort of out there kind of crazy that is Regina.
True, but remember Henry didn’t discover any of this about her until less than a year ago (a month before MM gave him the storybook). Before that, he knew only that she had taken care of him for his entire life. I think it’s a testament to his own moral sense that he has been as firm in resisting her as he has while still feeling a natural filial bond to her – you can’t just switch off a lifetime of emotion in a few months.
Also, I think calling her “Mom” in both scenes was an important dramatic device to emphasize the enormity of his break with her in the final scene. It was so much more powerful than it would have been if he had been saying all along “I don’t like you” and then said “I still don’t like you” when he saw her trying to kill James and he realized Snow and Emma were gone. We had to see a change in Henry’s attitude toward Regina at that moment. Yes, in the past year he had learned of the things she had done but now he was seeing it first-hand and now Emma and Snow were potentially lost. Henry played his “nuclear option”; threatening never to see Regina again is his ultimate weapon to compel her not to kill Snow and Emma.
timespacerParticipant@Faux Pax wrote:
I’m not quite ready to have Rumple and Regina retire from being the baddies just yet, but I agree that once they start being softened by those they care about (and I think this will take longer for Rumple even though he will have both Belle and Bae) then they will have to be replaced as big baddies. But I doubt it would be Hook, as interesting as having a big bad who can’t do magic be. I hope i’m not the only one who hasn’t forgotten that ALL the worlds were cursed, so they have plenty to chose from, the queen of hearts, the witches from Oz and maybe even the white witch from Narnia…the list goes on.
Also, i do think it would be cool to see a Charmings/Regina/Rumple allance, and the best way I see that happening is through Henry, if Bae is in fact his father. That would put him under the protection of all three grupes and if something happened to him…Think of all the family that would come to the rescue. It hasn’t even happened yet and i’m allready feeling sorry for who ever it was. 😆
Now that would be an epic battle! It’s hard to imagine what villain could be powerful enough to stand up to the magical onslaught of the Charmings/Regina/Rumple (CR^2) alliance but I’m sure the writers could concoct one. It would make the attack on King George’s castle to rescue James in Season One look like just a minor disagreement. I keep envisioning the final battle scene in Lord of the Rings.
timespacerParticipantI like the Frankenstein hypothesis, and the idea of adding Horror Land. Of course, the mob scene is a reference to the classic film version of the story, not the novel and the coincidence of the director’s name being James Whale seems perfect. Did anybody else notice that the Season One OUAT DVD set has a bunch of ads which include an ad for the Disney Frankenstein parody entitled “Frankenweenie”? I think an ad for the film also aired during the airing of “Broken”.
timespacerParticipant@NONNIE wrote:
I also think it was Bae in the city, but I’m beginning to suspect that Jefferson sent the note. Did anyone else notice that on the wall of the city apartment there was a sign that said “Hatter”? Sounds like a clue to me!
GOOD IDEA but I do not think Jefferson had contact with BAE…. still think it was the Blue Fairy… for reason above. Jefferson was fixated on his daughter…. there was no indication that he knew about Bae or Rumple at any time.
.Now that I think about it, I think you’re right. The Blue Fairy makes more sense than Jefferson for exactly the reasons you gave. I was just really struck by that sign in the apartment. Of course, it may be a red herring or it may represent some more indirect connection with Jefferson that will be revealed later.
timespacerParticipant@Rcaret7z wrote:
This might be slightly off the beaten path – in seach of more bread crumbs… 😉
Although that is still kind of a hurtful thing to say to a step-mom/foster-mom, I kind of understand where Henry is comming from. Yes, she is after-all the “evil queen” but I doubt I’d get away with saying something like that to my non-biological mother… 😀Interesting insight. Over in the “Henry calls her Mom?” thread, I just argued the opposite position. Some of the folks there felt it was surprising that he called Regina “Mom” and was so quick to defend her after a year of opposing her, but that’s exactly what I expected. I think he is very conflicted; he’s horrified by the things Regina does and he wants to protect everyone (especially Emma) from her but he also realizes that she loves him and he knows she has cared for him his whole life.
I thought his reaction to Regina that you referred to was pretty mild considering that he knows Regina kills people. He had just seen her try to kill his grandfather, and he probably feared that she may have killed Emma and Snow. I think Henry has always had a sympathy for Regina despite his determination to oppose all her evil acts, but killing Emma would also kill that sympathy. I think Henry’s comment to her made Regina realize something that she apparently didn’t get last year – if she kills Emma, Henry will hate her forever.
I love the fact that we have a show that gives us characters with such complex, conflicting emotions. I also love your .sig – a great Marcus Aurelius quote!
timespacerParticipant@Aslan4king wrote:
I think that the note that was sent to the guy in the city was Bae and there’s someone on the inside that knows what’s going on. I’m thinking that It’s August that sent it.
I also think it was Bae in the city, but I’m beginning to suspect that Jefferson sent the note. Did anyone else notice that on the wall of the city apartment there was a sign that said “Hatter”? Sounds like a clue to me!
timespacerParticipantOne thing I did catch having just watched S01E21 & 22 just prior to watching S2, was Regina didn’t think FTL had been destroyed, if she had, she wouldn’t have told Jefferson she needed to go back there for something, as it was she was able to pull an apple from FTL past …. I think/am HOPING!!! (because I want them all to return to their world by the end & live happily ever after lol 😉 ) Is that FTL will need to be ‘repaired/made whole’ again somehow.
Maybe Emma will be the key to bringing this about. She does seem to have magic, at least in our world, and I would way it fits her role as the savior. Restoring a world would take a lot of magic. The only question is, what kind of price would something like that have?[/quote]
[/quote]I wonder if the price might be Regina’s life? Ever since the early episodes, I’ve been struck by the fact that Regina is so evil, yet so fully developed as a character that we see her pain and fears. Those contradictory elements make me think on the one hand she must face responsibility for her actions by the end of the series but on the other hand suggest there is a possibility for her redemption. Perhaps she will pay the price to undo what she has done? She might do it in some context where it was necessary to save Henry from some threat and/or to gain his forgiveness, since I really can’t imagine Regina ever making a sacrifice for anyone else.
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