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“Since when does he call her ‘Mom’ “? While it’s true we never saw him address Regina directly as “Mom” during the first season, he always referred to her as “my mom” (in the third person) all season long. After all, she was the only mom he knew until he found Emma, so I always just assumed he had been calling her “Mom” for his entire life. I wouldn’t expect him to suddenly change a habit of a lifetime after he found Emma, even though he also began to refer to Emma as “my mom”.

I posted some thoughts on the question “Why doesn’t Henry love Regina?” at
http://www.onceuponatimespace.com/q3HenryLvRegina.html but since then it occurred to me that, despite his steadfast opposition to her and desire to escape from her, Henry never really expressed any personal animosity toward Regina. In fact considering how intensely they were battling each other over The Curse, it’s surprising to me that he stayed as civil to her as he did. Even in his most passionate outbursts, like in “The Stable Boy” (I think), when he insisted “…The Curse will end! Good will win!” he only expressed anger at Regina’s actions – never directly at her. He never said anything like “I hate you” or “I wish you were dead”, despite his knowledge of everything Regina had done and his revulsion at her actions. I still suspect that Regina and Henry may have been very close when he was little, and the deterioration of his relationship with her since then, especially since learning her true identity, hasn’t completely erased that early bond.

And I agree with Elle – his reaction to her words at the end of “A Land Without Magic” suggested that he was beginning to think perhaps she really does love him because he didn’t contradict her assertion as he had in previous eisodes. He just sat there silently, looking sad and a bit uncertain.

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I agree. Everything seems to fit. And the actor we saw tonight even looked a bit like an older version of Dylan Schmid, who played Bae. Also, that room cluttered with a lot of old stuff like a rotary phone and a record player, reminded me a bit of Mr. Gold’s shop. It also stands to reason that if bae is Henry’s father, he must have had some knowledge of and/or connection to Storybrooke (possibly via August?) since otherwise it would be too much of a coincidence for him to just happen to meet Emma ten years ago.

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I’m guessing that in “The Thing You Love Most” Regina may not have been referring to the Aurora we saw in “Broken”. Regina only referred to “…that sleeping beauty [who] got the best of you.” Aurora’s statement about Maleficent’s conflict with her mother makes me think that the “sleeping beauty” Regina referred to may have been Aurora’s mother.

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I think writing about the Hero’s Journey and OUAT would be great – please do it! I’m a big fan of Joseph Campbell and I once cited a quote from The Power of Myth in a commentary I posted on The Thing you Love Most ( http://www.onceuponatimespace.com/uloveComment.html ). I would love to read and discuss examples of how his work applies to OUAT. I look forward to reading your series!

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Welcome Shery! I had a similar experience myself; I had seen just a few episodes from the first season when I bought an iTunes download of the entire season and then watched the entire season over a three day weekend. It was a great way to see the entire story of the first season.

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Clever suggestion by Marilou (although it doesn’t really relate to Relativity) but I have to agree with Clockwatcher and Phee; Henry aged because he was the only person in town who was not brought there by the curse. I see the curse as something that stopped the aging of everyone transported to Storybrooke by the curse.

In fact, I think Henry’s aging is essential to explaining his relationship with Regina. It was stated in an early episode that he only got the book from MM a month before he went to find Emma but he had been having problems with Regina for years. What would make him so willing to assume the only mother he ever knew was in fact the Evil Queen? I think it must have been years of frustration over the fact that Regina wouldn’t give him an explanation of why he was the only one in town who aged. That would also explain why he has no friends among the other kids.

But this raises another question. What the heck was Regina thinking when she adopted a baby? Didn’t she know that he would age and she would someday have to explain that to him? We’ve seen that Rumplestiltskin put things in the curse she didn’t expect, so she may not have expected him to age. On the other hand, did she really want to spend eternity changing diapers? Perhaps she was so desperate for someone to love that she just jumped into the adoption without thinking through the consequences, but she certainly had time to think about it in the years since. I prefer to think that she had some plan to patch things up with Henry but she was waiting for him to get a little older before enacting it. She couldn’t have foreseen that he would get the book from MM and that would give him an explanation for the odd behavior of time in Storybrooke before she could implement whatever plan she had in mind. Maybe we’ll learn more of what she had planned in Season Two.

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Maybe it was just a visual representation that “sparks” are now going to fly with Emma coming into town?

Oh! I like that.

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I recently started my own rewatch and I had the same reaction to that line. Of course, it may also have been put in to help us understand very early in the show that Henry and Emma have no fairy tale counterparts. There is a lot of foreshadowing in those early episodes. From the very first scene in which Charming arrives at Snow White’s glass coffin and Doc speaks the same words, “You’re too late”, which Mother Superior will say to Emma when she arrives at Henry’s bedside in the finale to the clock ticking to 8:15 in both episodes, I was impressed how tightly interwoven the pilot is with the later episodes.

I missed the first few episodes of the online group rewatch so I don’t know if this was discussed in the chat but there is one scene in the pilot that confused me at the time and still does. When Emma steps out of her car upon first arriving in Storybrooke, there is a short on the power line in the background just as she slams the car door (you can see a picture of it at http://www.onceuponatimespace.com/pilotComment.html ). It was such a noticeable special effects shot I still wonder why they put it in. I don’t think it was ever explained during the season. Did they just add it for a dramatic effect to accompany the door slam or will it turn out to have some significance? I’m guessing it must be there for a reason. What does everyone else think?

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@DanielJLewis wrote:

Thank you for joining us, TimeSpace! Are you related to TimeRover? 😛

Not that I know of. But I look forward to getting to know everyone here.

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@Lil’Red wrote:

TimeSpacer, I really do like the idea of Rumple writing the book. He seems to be linked to all the stories. The scene in the Price of Gold, where he tells Cinderella ‘every story needs a memorable detail!’ keeps coming to mind, because HE was always the person to add that detail – he definitely was working as an ‘author’ in these different fairytales. Knowing that Rumple could see the future to some extent (there’s probably some limitations) could explain why he made the book prior to the curse, knowing that the savior would have a son who would need it, read it, and bring his mother to town. (Limitation possiblility: doesn’t see that his son is the father of the savior’s kid???) If Rumple made the book prior to the curse, I still wonder how it ended up at Mary Margaret’s…I’ve wondered if Rumple was behind Snow having her engagement ring in Storybrooke, so he could of planted the book with her things also.

Good idea, Li’l Red! I had forgotten about Rumple’s “memorable detail” line but it certainly fits. I gather the writers have confirmed that Rumple got his memory back when he met Emma (I tended to assume he had it all along and just made Regina think his memory would be erased but it works either way). If he wired into the curse a “back door” that would restore his memory when he met Emma, he could also have wired in a subconscious idea in himself that would get him to suggest to Regina that she adopt a child (knowing she would still have the “emptiness inside” from enacting the curse) and provided something that would cause him to seek out Emma for that project. Of course, that would require him to know enough about the future to know that Emma would have a child. I have an alternative I’ll post later…

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