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I think this one makes a lot of sense and I can totally see them going this route with Will coming to ONCE
Didn’t Will also tell Alice that he had a sister who was frozen to death when he was still a boy? Except maybe she didn’t…
[adrotate group="5"]I don’t think Emma’s character is able to leave someone behind in prison to be murdered.
I am not referring to that. I agree that saving Marian would have been the right thing to do. It is what happened after Emma rescued her. Marian didn’t want to leave with them so they knocked her out and forced her to come with them. Yes, leaving her behind may have disrupted the timeline. But it wasn’t Marian’s cross to bear, by forcing her to come with them, Emma was making Marian pay for the mess she created.
Gee, Tinkerbell, do you think you could have worked a little harder on this one? Searching for Regina’s true love, she sets her up with the angry widower of a woman she intended to slaughter. Surely nothing could go wrong.
I think Regina first saw Robin at the tavern before he met Marian.
BTW, I loved Regina’s outrage with Emma about the “consequences of her actions”. Where I’m sitting, everything worked out okay. Emma saved a life (albeit, probably with a concussion), Marian was reunited with her family. Robin and Roland get Marian back. Even some good consequences for Regina. She has the blood of one less person on her hands. The only bad “consequence” is that Regina loses her love. But you know what? That’s the consequence of REGINA’s actions. You spend your life murdering people, and it’s going to come around to bite you in the ass. As far as consequences to bloodthirsty tyrants, Regina is getting off easy.
While I agree it wasn’t fair for Regina to lash out at Emma, I don’t think Emma’s actions were totally above reproach. For starters, rushing in to the site of the portal was just dumb. She didn’t even have her magic then so what did she think she could accomplish; and she couldn’t spend maybe 5 minutes calling David back to find out more about the situation?
And was kidnapping Marian and pulling her through the portal really the right thing to do? It was Emma’s mess to fix, why did Marian have to pay the consequences? What if Marian’s family hadn’t been Robin or even in Storybrooke, then she would have been parted from them forever.
But think of what was Rumple’s original motivation to make the potion. He wanted to make sure that nothing messed with his head such that his plan to reunite his son would be thrown off. If he had kept the memories, he might not have been able to even reunite with Neal in the first place. Though to be honest, I think if anyone could pull it off, it would be Rumple. After all, he has the abilities of the Seer (I wonder if her prophecy takes into account time-travelling) as well as being one of the best strategists in the show.
And then Emma was a hypocrite and saved someone who should have died?!!
To be fair to Emma, she probably thought bringing Marian to the future would have the solved the problem of messing up the past timeline, which it did in a way. Though I think it’s a gray area on whether she did the right thing by forcing Marian to go with them against her will.
But I find it weird Emma never thought to ask Marian’s name all the time they were alone together in the cell.
I am wondering why Rumple kept insisting that Belle keeps the dagger instead of going with Belle’s suggestion and safe-keeping it for her. In that way, he could keep the dagger and not have to lie to Belle. I doubt Belle would ever ask for the dagger once he has it locked up safely. Perhaps he wants to keep using Belle as an alibi in the future, like in the case of Zelena’s death? That would surely not bode well for their relationship.
Lightning Round Answer:
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Lightning-Round-13-Kitsis-Horowitz-Spoilers-1081425.aspx
I really do want to see Zelena again but the way the question was phrased doesn’t really inspire confidence to the answer. Might as well ask, “is there a chance I will strike a million dollar jackpot next month?”
It seems Rumple needed to use the real dagger to kill Zelena rather than any old sharp pointy object.
Why would Rumple need the dagger to kill a powerless Zelena? He has demonstrated before he has plenty of other options: ripping out and crushing her heart, turning her into a snail or a rose etc.
Even supposing Rumple needed the dagger to kill Zelena for some reason, if he had intended all along for Belle to keep the real dagger, why didn’t he kill Zelena first and then propose to Belle? At the very least, this would be one less thing he had to lie to Belle about as well as to seek forgiveness for when she found out the truth.
I disagree. There is still the chance that Zelena’s envy would rear its ugly head again but this time the target would be a lot closer to home.
Zelena wants to be the centre of attention. She wants the praise and for everybody to adore her. Either she’d be jealous that Regina gets the man and adoring family and would want to usurp Regina’s place, or she’d be jealous of the love and affection Regina shows to Henry, Robin and Roland, and would want to be the only one Regina loves and would therefore target Henry, Robin and Roland to get them out of Regina’s life.
There is always a chance that a villain would regress even if he/she had started on the path of redemption. Rumple and Regina have both been given multiple chances (and they have both slipped more than once) so it’s only fitting that they give others a chance as well. The first step for Zelena to become good again is to have someone to give her that second chance and try to love her despite what she has done. From there, she can work to live up to the expectations of that person, including fighting her jealous nature. This is, after all, exactly what motivated Regina and Rumple to try to be better people. To say that Zelena would definitely be evil no matter the circumstances, would be validating what Zelena thought – that it was her destiny to be wicked and nothing can change that, so why should she even try to be good? And I think the whole point of the episode was to show that people can create their own destinies if they are willing to.
Another thing to point out is that even though Zelena has done the most harm to Rumple and he deserves to have his vengeance the most out of everyone, he is also the person who is most obligated to give Zelena that second chance. Just look at the wrongs he did to Zelena in the past:
First of all, he lead Zelena down the same dark path as Regina (as a backup plan perhaps) with the eventual goal of getting her to cast the curse for him. Let’s not forget how desperate and dark a person has to be before he/she would be willing to cast the dark curse yet Rumple knowingly pushed Zelena to become that kind of person.
And then, he dumped her like so much garbage when he found out that she wasn’t suited to cast the curse for him even though she was so desperate to please him. Last but not least, he attempted to murder Zelena for her silver slippers when she wouldn’t give them to him.
Yeah, I don’t really understand why she never overtly tried to kill anyone except Hook and Henry (and she tried to kill them for bait, not to get them out of the way, make people’s lives a misery, etc.). She’s had so many chances to kill people she didn’t need for the curse, but never did it, or even tried to.
Well, there was that one instance where she ordered Rumple to kill Belle which really seems like an act of gratuitous murder since Belle is hardly a threat to her. The only reason I can think of is payback for Rumple abandoning her and maybe a bit of jealousy that yet again someone else is placed before her in Rumple’s heart.
I agree that Zelena hasn’t really done a lot of on-screen damage compared with other villains we have seen. However, one thing to consider is that if her plan succeeds, she may cause a lot of people to no longer exist in the altered timeline (whole generations may be wiped out) even if that wasn’t her intent. That makes her as much of a mass murderer as Regina or Rumple though in a different way.
I think in many ways, Zelena acts like an overgrown child who needs to be pampered and soothed (she is oddly suited for the seat of innocence). I don’t think she really cares for wealth or power, she just wants someone to put her first; whether that be Cora, or Rumple or Glinda.
I’m convinced that after killing Zelena, Rumple went back home to Belle and swapped the daggers back so Belle had the real one again.
Why would he need to give Belle a fake in the first place then? As long as Belle doesn’t specifically order him not to kill Zelena (which she did not and is unlikely ever to), he is free to kill Zelena even if the the dagger is not in his hands. The dagger doesn’t work on the holder’s thoughts or feelings, else Rumple could never have attempted to attack Zelena or try to steal the dagger from her.
It was clear that Zelena wasn’t going to take the second chance, she showed no remorse or guilt whatsoever for what she put Rumple through. The only time she even tried to act repentant was when she realised Rumple was actually going to kill her
As I have argued above, Zelena simply wants to be deemed irreplaceable in someone’s heart. She was willing to put aside her jealousy of Regina when the other witches accepted her into their circle because she thought that was a unique position left solely for her (until Dorothy came along). If Regina is willing to let bygones be bygones and accept her as her sister and into her family, I actually think it is quite likely Zelena would have taken the second chance. After all, Zelena is Regina’s only living blood relative, no one else can take her place.
So does this make Regina the real Witch of the West who represents innocence? Because she is the one who took down Zelena for real?
I think the prophecy does refer to Dorothy. Technically she fulfilled all aspects of it. She stayed in Oz until she “unseated” Zelena – the prophecy never said that the “greatest evil” was killed. And then she went home to Kansas after fulfilling her destiny.
However, I think the prophecy could have been interpreted in another way. Zelena, by fighting her dark side and winning, could have been the sorceress who fulfils her destiny by defeating the “greatest evil” i.e. her own darkness. Unfortunately, she chose to believe that the prophecy controlled who she is instead of trying to create her own destiny. That was ultimately what lead to her downfall.
It seems almost as if the other witches were setting Zelena up. Why did they keep the truth about the prophecy from Zelena? Did they give her the Western seat just so that Dorothy could come along and “unseat her”, thus fulfilling the prophecy?
And Glinda’s reaction when she saw Zelena melted into a puddle of green goo was much too dismissive and casual. She went from “nobody is taking your seat, Zelena” just a little while back to, “you’re one of us now, Dorothy”.
Have to feel sorry for Zelena, I think she actually faked her death as a test. Maybe if Glinda had shown more sisterly concern and sorrow over Zelena’s “demise”, she might still have turned back from her dark path.
