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April 30, 2018 at 4:24 pm in reply to: Regina's real (or implied) name is Hope – Predict family reunion is endgame #346997
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ParticipantThe point is that he thinks these writer have some sort of plan. They don’t. They are flying by the seat of their pants. There is no plan here. It is just random nonsense and they have changed their story from its original intention. It hasn’t been the original OUAT for four seasons. It is just random nonsense.
We can’t jump to conclusions in saying there is no plan. Yes we don’t see one, but we might never know. A&E might not, but someone else can if the project was handed over to them which could happen. And also, he might be right that there could be some sort of plan, even though we don’t even know it is true right now. And yes like you said, that is your opinion.
As i said, the characters are in the past and interacting with their past selves, as well as, in the wish world. That makes all the spoilers fit without having an alternate timeline. Though, they may create an alternate timeline by going to Storybrooke. It doesn’t really matter though. None of that is going to matter. Also, this show isn’t being rebooted because it is nonsense. That is my opinion and i have nothing else to say about that.
I get it that is your opinion. You just don’t have to be so negative about it. And for the record, it might not be just the past and wish realm, it could involve a different future. Not the kind like we saw in s4, but more like what we saw in the wish realm or in the season finale of s6. You never know.
[adrotate group="5"]April 30, 2018 at 1:46 pm in reply to: Regina's real (or implied) name is Hope – Predict family reunion is endgame #346992Vader12
ParticipantGo easy on nealfanforever, hjbau. He made nice thought, and he might be making a point about something.
They aren’t writing their show anymore.
For now. And for the record, they already spoiled that they “did not close the door to any of it” as they said in an interview. Which clues they might not be quitting the show, but might leave it to someone else. And they might have hinted that they might not be the ones to do it, but someone else can. You never know.
If they had kept to their premise then Neal would still be on this show.
He can return if a revival comes.
Emma is going to be with Hook and that is their Baby
If it were from the original time. I mean, since Henry seems like for now would interact with his past version, I might be possible that some of the people from the originals returning are not just spirits like Robin and Belle or wish versions of others such as Blue/Granny/Grumpy, but quite possibly from different times and different futures.
And if I remember correctly, I thought I heard that some of our major characters might be in different places such as:
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Robin, Alice, Regina, Henry and Tiana in Storybrooke from a different time (because the dwarves don’t recognize Alice/Robin, and most likely Zelena there might be a different time version).
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Regina, Nook and Rumple appear to be in the wish realm, thanks to the appearance of Snowing’s statue.
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Though not confirmed but possible, That huge group scene might be for a alternate future or illusional world trapping Ella2 and Lucy. We don’t fully know what the group scene is really about yet. Now it might be for the end, but it might be something else. This could explain why Henry is riding a white horse and wearing fairytale clothes, cause he is searching for them.
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ParticipantDidn’t we already know this? That is definitely what the baby is though. Just another hammer over the head. This show has never been about hope. It is more that evil always wins then about hope.
What do you mean by “another hammer over the head?”
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ParticipantPerhaps Snowing might have avoided this situation of whatever reason Regina could not call for help from Storybrooke. Either they escaped it or were captured and removed to prevent from interfering with whatever plot this is.
For this time error that was theorized, it is quite possible that these scenes like the ones from the green set and that the Emma from 7×02 might be an Emma from a different future or different time, and mate she along with some of the characters in the green set might be illusions created to trap maybe Ella2 and Lucy, and that might be one of the reasons that Henry is in Storybrooke and is trying to save his family.
So it might seem true that Snowing are in more than one scene and will help save the day. Of course, they would also still need to explain why Emma might not apart of this mission and appearing in Storybrooke cause of her one scene appearance.
Some may have theorized, which seem true, that the Zelena appearing in Storybrooke with Regina might not be our Zelena but from a different time, which could also explain why the dwarves chasing Alice and Robin did not recognize Little Robin.
This is pretty confusing of what’s going on right now. I can’t till we find out.
It is sweet to see Snowing in action one more time. The show did start out with those two, and it might make sense for the show to end (for now) and have the season end with them both.
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ParticipantAnything can be revived. You never know when someone will feel a particular need to revisit something that was once on air. However, here are some rubs: –Shows that get revived are beloved. They aren’t revived just because of “writing mistakes.” Will and Grace and Rosanne did not get revived to fix what fans see as a writing mistake in the final episode/season.
And yet they undid Dan’s death. That was fixing a mistake. They even returned to Will and Grace’s Original format.
Will and Grace and Rosanne got revived because they are beloved sitcoms that were groundbreaking in the time of their inception (one for portrayals of the LGBT community and one for portrayals of low income families) –Shows do not get revived in order to fix large swaths of previously written material which may or may not be “wrong.” Fans decide what writing mistakes are; not networks or even the writers. At the time, the writers chose to do a massive flashforward for W/G and to have Dan die in Rosanne. These were fixed only AFTER the fact–only after fans and critics talked about how bad they are. –The writing mistakes of OUAT are only seen as mistakes by their fans; so far, the writers and critics have little to say about these so called mistakes. –When Will and Grace and Rosanne ended, they were still ratings juggernauts. Especially compared to today’s network ratings. When W/G ended, it got almost 19 million eyeballs after an entire season of 7-9 million viewers. OUAT hasn’t had that sort of viewership in years. Rosanne is the same. The idea that OUAT most likely will get revived is..bizarre, as of right now. There’s absolutely no call for it. ABC had it for seven years; they are ready to end it and move on to other things. They have no desire to revive a show that is currently getting a .4 in the demo. It’s not a ratings smash hit and it won’t be so close to it’s ending, were they to revive.
What you told was meaningless. They did fix some errors from those two aside from viewers wanting to watch the shows. They undid Dan’s death, undid the plots of Will and Grace’s marriages and having kids, and had the show’s return to their original formats. Those were pretty much fixing up and Undoing some mistakes. Made my points. And what you told about people like the old showrunners having no desire to do any possible revival was untrue. They said they are happy to leave things open for possibilities. And they already made a hints they are saving their canceled s8 for a reunion. You missed a spot. And networks can so see the mistakes when they would bring up how they are losing viewers like saying “they are not happy with happy” and there is always fixing up if they want to bring back viewers.
If ABC is gonna revive anything, it would be LOST which is still mostly critically acclaimed, still holds a special place in the ABC history, and is still a groundbreaking TV show. In short: –OUAT is not beloved enough as it stands, right now, to get revived, at least not for years and years. –If OUAT were to get revived it wouldn’t be to fix what some perceive as writing mistakes but because there was a genuine need for OUAT’s stories again.
Who said anything about ABC reviving it? I never said anything about the network doing it. In case you read carefully enough, I hinted that it is possible that another network like Disney’s streaming service can. And in case you forgot or didn’t read any news, Disney’s streaming service gave the muppets a reboot/revival after the previous show got canceled two years ago, and it is not ABC who rebooted it. And despite no some circomstances and it not fully announced, Igor hinted that they would be happy to revive Disney’s home Improvement on streaming service (not ABC). Made my points.
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ParticipantThere is no the rest of us, Nick. There is just you who thinks this show could be revived. This show is not good enough. The writers are not good enough. This show is not ground breaking. This show has no cult following. This show is no Buffy. It is no Lost. It is no Roseanne. It is no Will and Grace. There is no hatred from me. There is no emotion here. I just think bad show runners should not be given shows to run. The show runners were given two other shows to run and they were both quickly cancelled. I know that it is easy to try and make comments about me, but that has nothing to do with the fact that this show does not have it which will get it revived. I get that your premise is that we cannot know the future, but unlike in Ouat, we actually know things about the people involved in the decision and they will do things based on what we know. The actors on this show don’t want to be on it anymore. ABC has decided that Ouat is no longer financially viable. It is cancelled. Thinking it is going to get picked up elsewhere is wishful thinking. It is getting people’s hopes up where there is no hope. If your point of view is simply that we cannot see into the future, then you have made that point.
What you just said me being the only one was wrong and another lie. There is so us. There are so others who believe there are possibilities, I looked at other websites. Look at the other sites where others believe and see for yourself and see how wrong you were in saying I am the only one. Everything you said there meant nothing but trolling.
I don’t care if you are not showing hatred, you’re still being a downer.
I never said I foreseen things. You on the other hand cannot foresee anything at all yourself, when saying will never happen. Telling something like that is a lie and false when you don’t know a thing about what might forecome. You never know what might happen. Always in motion the future is. And for your information, I already did make my points.
And what you said about many actors not wanting to return the show, was wrong. In case you didn’t bother reading anything, the actor of Kristoff said earlier before cancelation that he would be happy to return to the show. So what you said about actors not wanting to return was wrong.
Only ABC has decided cancelation but not the really big boss who outranks the network.
It was not wishful thinking about it getting picked up elsewhere, it is a possibility. It’s only wishful in your head and imagination.
This is not getting you anywhere.
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ParticipantThere is no chance, in my opinion. To suggest otherwise is to do all those things you just accused me of doing. This show is over and while i used to love it, i am glad it is done. I am not worried about it. Of course, the producers of this show want to bring it back in the future. They want to make money and they want to be in charge. They want another chance to show run again. I don’t think they should ever be given a chance to do that ever again. This should be their last show ever.
Like I pointed out, what you just said in the other comment was not a fact, but only based on your negative opinions and personal feeling, by making sound like false hope. You saying in your opinion “There’s no chance” means nothing. And there no reason the rest of us should have to suffer for it. And the last parts of your comment now made it sound like hatred (even though that might not be the case). Just leave your negativity out of this. You were not helping. And what you said about that “they shouldn’t be they should ever be given a chance to do that ever again”, doesn’t mean someone else could take over the job. After all, A&E said in an interview they are not sure they can do it.
I don’t care what you think or wish in your negativity. Believe all you want, but you cannot escape the possibilities and unknown.
And if the show does get a revival (which most likely might not be run by the original showrunners), and most likely run in streaming service, there is nothing you can do about it.
If that’s all I have to point out, then this discussion is closed.
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ParticipantThere is no chance of this show having a revival. The actors ran away before it was even cancelled. This show is a complete mess and it is unfixable.
Amazing. Everything that you just said was all negative nancy talking, wrong and a lie. Don’t be such a downer. Actors have returned in the seventh season before and after it was announced canceled on ABC, even though they came back for a short time. You missed a big info. You don’t even know for fact that there would not be a revival, there most certainly can. Things change, and the old show runners already hinted that they are opened for possibilities. And also it certainly can revive in a different network like Disney’s streaming service. Now you need to take a hint for once accept their are possibilities. Remember, doubt only leads to failure. No more trolling. It’s wrong of you to make up theories and start rumors with no basis just to build false hope.
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ParticipantWell since there is a possibility of a revival, they can undo all the mistakes in the show including 1) finishing off villains properly for the murder of parents and loved ones like Cora did, 2) finish loose ends, 3) above all, put the show and characters back in in their original format. After all revival shows were known to go back to their original formats and undo mistakes just like what had happened in “Will & Grace” and “Roseanne”. But most likely new producers might take over.
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ParticipantMeghan Ory sadly didn’t make it for the finale.
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