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2. Despite Rumple all but spelling it out for Robin that he should go back to Regina, Robin still made the decision to stick with Zelarian. Regina is second best again. This episode has absolutely destroyed Robin’s character in the worst way possible. Regina deserves better!
Does she? I mean…Regina is now taking Belle’s heart as a way to get leverage over Gold after he threatened Robin. That doesn’t sound like something a redeemed hero does (unless it’s with Belle’s blessing and full cooperation as a way to take down Gold). If you ask me, Robin and Regina deserve each other.
Regina’s an Anti Hero…who does what needs to be done to protect her family. And he didn’t just threaten Robin, he’s trying to turn Emma dark, and as powerful as Emma is supposed to be, that would not be a good thing for anyone. And so it’s okay for Rumple to threaten Robin and Emma, but Regina can’t use Belle, Rumple’s only weakness, against him to stop it?
And what if Belle doesn’t consent to letting Regina use her heart as leverage…there would be nothing to stop Rumple! So if force is necessary, then so be it.
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Zelena is back because the writers needed to fix OQ so Zelarian happened so that Robin could leave “Marian” for Regina without any backlash. They failed on all counts.
1. Regina still killed the original Marian in the original timeline. Zelena only switched places after CS had rescued Marian from Regina ordering her execution. Had the Marian Regina took not been the real Marian then this point wouldn’t have been as bad. This was the point they needed to fix in the OQ canon, and they fixed nothing!
2. Despite Rumple all but spelling it out for Robin that he should go back to Regina, Robin still made the decision to stick with Zelarian. Regina is second best again. This episode has absolutely destroyed Robin’s character in the worst way possible. Regina deserves better!
Ok…I really wasn’t going to say anything but I see I have to.
Zelarian was planned before Season 4, a week after Zelena’s death according to Adam. So…it had always been planned for Marian to end up being Zelena because Adam and Eddy love the character and Rebecca Mader.
1. I for one am conflicted with the whole Regina really killed Marian in the original timeline because it contradicts Robins “Marian’s death was MY fault.” But if she had killed her…Regina didn’t know Maid Marian was Robin Hood’s wife, in the words of Lana Parrilla:
2. Alright…How could Robin Hood get back into Storybrooke when Regina had already told him that once he left, there’d be no way to return. Despite Rumple telling Robin to go back, he had no way to do so! He was clinging onto something that was hurting him so much because he’d rather be with her, but he can’t go back…there was no way to get back to her, so he figured that he should follow her advice and let her go, and try his best to fall back in love with Marian.
So this episode did not destroy Robin’s Character, it only showed that sometimes having a Code comes with a terrible price that he had to pay. Regina can’t get better than Robin Hood, the ONLY MAN to see past the Evil Queen Moniker, who never even flinched looking at her or mistreated her, or threw her past into her face like every other character on this show has done. And not to mention he was ready to go to war with the Author on her behalf. OutlawQueen Are Soul Mates Forever!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Pardon the naive question, but is anyone else perhaps struck by the incredible irony of a show allegedly about the irreplaceability of love and family to have one of its main supporting male characters and his kid not being able to recognize that their wife/mom has been replaced by a leprechaun… I mean wicked witch?
Well I am now Does any one get why Zelena is seen in the mirror and not Marian? Does she have to avoid all reflective surfaces at all times?
I don’t think all mirrors show Zelarian’s true self, I think the mirror in the apartment was an artistic choice to remind the viewers that Marian is really Zelena and is making out with Robin to spite Regina. This episode was supposed to fix OQ with Zelarian but it’s only made it worse and more morally questionable. Question: Where does Zelarian and Robin stand on the consent issue? Robin isn’t being “forced” to make out with Zelarian but he thinks he’s making out with Marian and wouldn’t have made out with Zelena if he’d known it was actually her?
Ok…this episode wasn’t to fix OQ because technically Marian was declared dead, so there was no real affair. Zelarian was planned before Season 4, a week after Zelena’s death episode according to Adam. How is it morally questionable again…because a envious sister who wants everything her baby sister had steals her soul mate…that sounds a bit right in Zelena’s character.
And let’s not forget that none of this would even be happening had Rumplestilskin let well enough alone, and not even tried to kill Zelena in the first place.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
To be fair, Robin and Belle meeting again in between those two events isn’t necessarily unlikely, but this was probably an answer Adam made on the spot.
Yup. Adventures that we are unlikely to see.
Believe me…it’s going to be released in one of the Once Comic Novels like the last two were….explain the stories needed, but you got to buy the book to find out. -_- (mumbles “lazy writers”)
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Deaths: Zelena Rumple (as the man he is now) The Author
Actually, I suspect they won’t kill Zelena this time around.
Me too…they clearly seem to like playing with her character.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Why should Zelena be exempted the same treatment when she has only been shown to now kill only two people compared to the other trio?
Because Zelena killed people, the trio killed statistics. The audience cared about Neal and Marian, they don’t care about Peasant #365
Still….The Trio killed, Zelena killed…it’d be hypocritical for the heroes to continue embracing the Trio whose killed dozens, but kick Zelena to the curb for two people. I understand Neal and Marian were important to storyline, but still….now Marian is 100% on Zelena’s kill list, Neal is partial.
The heroes were always hypocritical anyway. They never bothered socialising with Rumple unless they wanted something from him then when they got it they ignored him until the next time they wanted something. Snowing are the worst for it.
Alright…you got me there…the heroes were always hypocritical. But for people who were as terrible as Regina, Rumple, and Hook….if they can live and breath and have to fight for a second chance, I believe the same courtesy should be extended to Zelena.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Why should Zelena be exempted the same treatment when she has only been shown to now kill only two people compared to the other trio?
Because Zelena killed people, the trio killed statistics. The audience cared about Neal and Marian, they don’t care about Peasant #365
Still….The Trio killed, Zelena killed…it’d be hypocritical for the heroes to continue embracing the Trio whose killed dozens, but kick Zelena to the curb for two people. I understand Neal and Marian were important to storyline, but still….now Marian is 100% on Zelena’s kill list, Neal is partial.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I’m not sure how Regina killing Zelena would make her a hypocrite. She gave her a second chance. Just like everyone else gave her. Its not her fault Rumple killed Zelena and released her life force to create mayhem and destruction. If she DIDN’T give Zelena a second chance, that would have been hypocritical. I really don’t think Regina will kill Zelena by the way. We have already been shown there are faiths worst than death.
Regina killing Zelena makes her a hypocrite because when Rumple wanted to kill her, Regina was all “heroes don’t kill” and she decided to give Zelena a second chance even though Rumple had suffered worse under Zelena than Regina had. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, for argument’s sake say Zelena killed Robin, so Regina suffers the most, for Regina to kill Zelena because she was wronged after denying Rumple his vengeance against her for the same reasons is massively hypocritical of Regina.
As the same scenario with Zelena being partially responsible for Neal’s death, Rumple dishonored Neal’s wishes to stay a hero by trying to kill Zelena. Regina would know that Robin Hood would never want her to revert back to being a villain, therefore she would not kill her….more than likely send Zelena across the town line with nothing in her pockets, therefore banishing her to a life of misery rather than love and happiness and redemption as Regina originally tried to give her in 3×20 until Rumple took it upon himself to see to it that she does not gain a second chance.
“Who haven’t we killed to get what we want?” – Regina (3×20)
Rumple, Regina, and Hook have all done their wrongs in the past…but have gained redemption for it. Why should Zelena be exempted the same treatment when she has only been shown to now kill only two people compared to the other trio?
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I KNEW IT!! KNEW IT!! The Author has got to be Cruella’s first husband!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I’m going to get so much flak for this post…but it’s gotta be said.
Despite Zelena taking the blame for Neal’s death, I can’t give 100% of it to her because it wasn’t entirely her fault. Neal was warned by Belle and I think even Lumiere that there would be a price as well as repercussions for bringing back his father, and Neal was the one who said “to heck with it.”
Don’t get me wrong, Zelena was the one who set this all in motion, so she and even Lumiere do take much much much responsibility for Neal’s death, but I think the other half could go to Neal because like I said, he understood that there would be a steep price and he said to hell with it. All Zelena did was load the gun, Neal pulled the trigger.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
