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But…but…that’s Klaus’s dad on the Originals…does that mean he’s gonna end up dead on there since he’s coming to Once????
Well…he wasn’t father of the year on The Vampire Diaries/The Originals….it seems he won’t be father of the year on Once either.
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"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I agree with Keb and Obisgirl. Regina was at fault for her Evil Queen stage. To take away her culpability is to take away Regina’s need for redemption. Also painting Regina as a victim all her life is a major disservice to her character.
Nah ah ah….I do agree that the moment Regina looked into that mirror and declared “Long Live The Evil Queen”…at least 75% of whatever she did afterwards goes to her, so that’s a lot of evil. However…I’m simply stating that we must look at not only the other 25% percent who are responsible for creating the Evil Queen in the first place.
And a Victim all her life you say? Oh I don’t have to paint it…they’ve shown it, she grew up with a physically, mentally, and emotionally abusive mother and a cowardly father who did nothing but stand aside. Her true love was killed, and she was forced to not only marry a man thrice her age, but raise the very girl who put her in that situation in the first place. Manipulated and polluted by Rumpelstilskin, whose been concocting this heinous plot to darken her heart even before the girl was born, all so that she could cast his curse. And even after all is said and done, she still lost her true love Daniel again, lost her mother, lost her sister, and now has lost her soul mate! The only reason she hasn’t lost Henry is because he’s the Savior’s son too perhaps!
So yeah….Regina’s more of a victim of life more than anyone else on the show, the only one who can come close to her level of pain and sorrow is perhaps either Emma Swan or Rumpelstilskin. And before anyone brings up the “Well Emma wouldn’t have had such a bad life had Regina not cast the curse?” Well, heck, Emma should really thank Regina for casting the dark curse because as she said “It got them their son!” Yes, Emma’s life sucked, but it’s paying off in the end….she gets to live in a modern day world, something we’ve seen she prefers than the Enchanted Forest.
To place the blame for Marian’s almost murder on Marian just doesn’t sit well with me in any way. She was being a hero, and sacrificing for others, including her family.
Marian is a hero and the reason why she didn’t lie to the Evil Queen was because it isn’t in her nature. She’s not a coward. It would be against her nature if she pointed the finger at another innocent. That’s not who she is. If she believes something is worth fighting for, she will fight for it because it’s a cause worth fighting for.
Here we go…Marian understood the choice well. Squeal or Die…she remained silent and chose death knowing she had a family to get back to. Every choice has it’s consequence…it all depends on whose paying the price. Marian had A LOT more to lose, and she let it be taken from her because she was a stubborn, prideful woman. It’s not about if it’s in her nature or not, and it sure as heck doesn’t make her a coward! It’s called survival…you do whatever it takes to survive. And if lying is what it takes to survive, then so be it.
Is Marian a survivor….given the woman’s cheated death more times than Rumple has said “Dearie” I’d say yes, but she’s always been saved by someone, whether it be Rumple, Robin, or Regina. If they want to paint the picture Regina killed this woman in cold blood, then Regina shouldn’t have given Marian a choice. And since she was going to die anyway, what would have been so bad with pointing in the wrong direction, and just saying “She went that way!” That might have just saved her life! I wonder what a certain 500 year old vampire whose spent her entire life running from her thousand enemies would have done…..
And if Regina was truly the hero from the beginning, seriously, the woman would not even need a redemption arc. Lastly, there is such a thing as free will and choices. True, Regina was manipulated a lot when she was younger but no one held a dagger to her throat when she decided to waste the town that hid Snow White in the Evil Queen (2×20). She did a lot of damage to pretty much the whole kingdom. I don’t think it mattered if she wasn’t the Queen of Robin’s realm or not. Most everyone was familiar with her and her reputation.Truthfully….it was probably never Regina’s fate to be dark….that was probably supposed to be Zelena’s, the first born. Hence Zelena’s natural ability for dark magic, and Regina’s natural ability for light magic, which might I add Glinda declared “Only the strongest purveyor of light magic” could defeat the highest dark magic Zelena possessed. But Rumple realized that Zelena could never do, and decided to stay with the one he’s already corrupted. Couldn’t let good corruption go to waste now could he?Of course no one would have to hold a dagger to Regina’s throat to do the evil things she did…the damage was already done to her, and the darkness had already seeped in and taken root in her heart. Cora & Snow planted the seeds, and Rumple harvested.Most everyone was familiar with her and her reputation? Then Robin and the Merry Men should not have been traveling through an Evil Queen’s realm. Much like everyone in the Enchanted Forest, if you knew you wouldn’t survive under Regina’s reign, pack up and move to Cinderella’s kingdom or Prince Eric’s kingdom. Unless Regina had some spell that trapped all her subjects in her land.And to answer the question…of course Regina takes most responsibility for Marian’s death, but the left over responsibility does go to Marian for not even trying to get herself out of the situation."If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
One of Lisa’s Twitter Followers/Friends @Adaissquishy made this for her…this needed to be posted!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Okay….yeah…
Any right minded person would have tried lying to the Queen instead of just letting her say “Okay, off with your head!” Despite the horrible situation, Marian was left with a choice….to either fess up or die! Well…you’re gonna die anyway if you don’t say anything at all…so why not try pointing in the wrong direction, and taking a chance! Like…at least try to save yourself.
Once Upon A Time 3×21 Scene Dialogue:
Regina: Where is Snow White!
Marian: …..
Regina: She thinks silence is bravery…not stupidity.
Marian: ……
Regina: She dies tomorrow. Hurry her along, the stench of peasantry is overwhelming.
This scene clearly states Marian didn’t even try to hold a conversation, or even give an explanation. She was defiantly quiet….like lady, point in a direction and say “She went that way.” That’s all Regina wanted, and Regina would have spared her life and left in the wrong direction. That was it! And do some percentage of Marian’s own death goes to herself…heck yeah because she was left with a choice, and she didn’t take it, and if she had….she could have at least tried to lie. You’re going to die anyway, what’s the harm in trying??????????
Regina did accept that she was the Evil Queen…but only once she discovered that the people would never love her. Much like in Wicked, Elphaba only became truly wicked when she realized that “No Good Deed Went Unpunished.” It was her breaking point, and she descended into darkness. You could really see the disappointment and the sadness on Regina’s face when she walked into town and heard/saw all the crude things her people were saying about her, and after the Snow fiasco…she just said screw it, they want a monster, I’ll be their monster. And just like Marian….sad to say that the villagers also had a choice….and just like Marian, if you’re going to die, what’s the harm in trying to lie yourself out of that situation?????
Had Regina been completely Evil, Corrupt, & Dark as few people try to claim she is…there would have been no compassion enough to give them a choice rather than just saying “Oh you helped a fugitive…Off with your head!” The only woman who was ever like that was Cora, who didn’t even let Jefferson speak two words before she cut his head off.
Technically…the Lion Tattoo was a clear reference to King Richard. Regina reigned only over the Enchanted Forest, just as King Midas, King George, Prince Thomas, Prince Eric reigned over their own kingdoms. Sherwood Forest, just as Nottingham, I’m pretty sure are in a different kingdom, ala, King John’s kingdom. Robin and the Merry Men were known for traveling from kingdom to kingdom, and they just so happened to be in Regina’s during that time period where she was making her rounds. And Marian just so happened to want to harbor a fugitive, who innocent or not, was declared a fugitive by the current reigning monarch. But Regina had no power that extended into King John’s kingdom, therefore she was not the Merry Men’s problem.
Wait a minute…whose denying Regina didn’t descend into darkness????? And to twist her descent into darkness into being on level with her rising above it is quite unfair, given she’s done ten times over the level of goodness than she did bad. That includes nearly sacrificing her life many times, her and Rumple always having to defeat the bad guys while the good guys do absolutely nothing, and saving Storybrooke more times than I can count….and despite all of that, it would seem she ends up with the same miserable results whether she’s good or bad.
Yes Regina did descend into darkness, though she had several helpful pushes over the cliff by outside forces…(cough) Rumple, Cora, Snow, Jefferson, Whale, and Blue Fairy (cough). And yes…I’m very proud of the Queen’s triumphant redemption that took three seasons to bring forward, and I hope she can save Mal, Cruella, and Ursula from the same fates her mother, sister, and Peter Pan followed!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
We lost lisa Im so sad. She was kind and sweet person.
Man…this sucks! 🙁
I’m really gonna miss her…and I agree one of the kindest people you could meet! I hope she’s somewhere in Heaven flying like the angel she was….at least she won’t be in pain anymore. Her suffering’s over, and can rest in peace!
Rest In Peace Lisa!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Emma: You gave up your freedom to ensure Snow White’s?
Woman: (nods) Yeah. I believe her to be innocent.
Yeah…see this gets me…as a mother and a wife…you’re willing to lay down your life for someone you don’t even really know, and barely considering the devastation it would cause to your family and friends. Martyrs are good and all, but there’s a line in every situation, and I feel Marian could have avoided this.
Marian didn’t even have to tell the truth to Regina….all she had to do was point in the opposite direction Snow ran in! Like…at least try to find a way out of this situation before you just throw your hands up and surrender.
This is not a woman who willingly left her family. She is protecting them, probably because she knows Robin would risk his own life to save hers if he knew where she was. She believes Snow is innocent, but she also knows what the alternative to Snow White is–The Evil Queen who threatens and kills entire villages (remember, this happens after the village massacre in The Evil Queen) because, in her own words, she isn’t happy. How could Marian not try to save Roland from living under that kind of ruler?
Yeah…here’s the kicker….the Locksley Family weren’t even under Regina’s reign…they were under King John’s. Two separate kingdoms…the Locksley Family just so happened to be in the Evil Queen’s territory. So Evil Queen’s rule wasn’t Marian’s issue, therefore Roland wouldn’t be living under it….they seemed to just be traveling through different kingdoms, and were just at the wrong place at the wrong time.
And again…she didn’t have to tell Regina the truth. Lie….you know you’re to die if you don’t say anything at all, so what’s the hurt in trying to lie to get out of it. I would have just had more respect if I saw her at least try anything instead of screaming “You’re A Monster! You’re A Monster!” Like that is gonna score you any good points….she had a family to get back to, she should have did whatever she had to do.
And honestly, twisting Marian’s actions into a rejection of her family so that it’s less horrible for Robin to want to leave her for Regina takes away from how Regina’s grown as a character. Marian never rejected her family. The clues we have (little as they are) suggest that she got into trouble doing a mission that Robin set for her–she was helping her beloved husband, protecting her son, and trying heroically to give her kingdom a chance. Marian is not a bad person, and completely deserves our sympathy–whether or not we want Robin with her.
I’m not twisting anything…I’m just saying the alternatives Marian could have taken rather than letting someone take her from her family. And who said anything about making anything less horrible for Robin to want to leave her….without a shadow of a doubt, he may have loved her, but he fell in love with Regina thirty years after Marian’s death. Death did them part, and he moved on…so there’s nothing horrible about Robin.
However….if the rumors that Robin had his wife, and the mother of his child out on a mission on him come true…I will say that it’s partly his fault as well because Marian already doesn’t really seem the type for that kind of action. Robin taught her a thing or two…but she’s just…I don’t know, she doesn’t seem cut out for that type of work. And Robin should know that! So if those rumors are true….I will cut him some of the blame….you don’t have your wife/baby mother on a mission for you.
Marian so far has my sympathy to an extent….really because Death is trying so badly to take her out, and being knocked upside the head, brought thirty years into the future to find your widow husband dating your murderess, who turns out to be his soul mate, aka, the woman he was destined to be with. And she earned my respect by seeing that Regina makes Robin happy, and was willing to step aside to let #OutlawQueen have their long overdue happy ending. So Marian’s in my good graces…I just wish some of her decisions were a bit different in the past. Then again…it may have been fate trying to unite OutlawQueen for the 1000000th time….so….I hope she does find her happy ending, but it won’t be with Robin Hood.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
If Ingrid can do it…Rumple can do it.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
we know Marian would and DID (in one timeline) sacrifice her own life to save her family, so on her side it’s definitely true love but harder to say for Roland and definitely more complicated for Robin 4 years down the line
Forgive me for being off topic for one second…but…Marian sacrificed her life to save her family??? No…no…I’m sorry…just no…Marian sacrificed her life to save Snow White’s life…something I still don’t quite understand, and a bit iffy, because she’d rather die for Snow White without giving a second thought for Robin and Roland. I don’t know…perhaps I could have had more sympathy for her had Regina just outright killed her instead of offering her a choice.
Her decision probably could have put her own family in even more danger considering Regina was quite the wrathful one back then…well except Roland. Oohhh…and I do now wonder what would it have been like if Regina had saw Robin’s tattoo if she had captured him along with Marian…
But on topic…does true love really have to be a mutual affection? Or could it have worked if someone loved her, but she didn’t love them? Because if that was the case…maybe the Sherriff of Nottingham could have worked? In the past, he seemed like he was really fond of her. I can’t really remember his scenes that well, but the fact he feels Robin stole Marian from him…maybe he did have a thing for her???? I don’t know much about anything on Once anymore….
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
This Was Everything! Thank You @Rainbow!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
