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What Robin equates as a dark past is probably quite different to Regina’s dark past. Regina’s past includes massacring villages of peasants and sending children to their deaths in the blind witch’s house. Robin’s past probably includes not paying taxes and being a bit of a playboy.
But it’s the “I was once quite different…” that still gives me pause. As a thief, he’s still not paying his taxes and he does have two women who love him right now. So, no, he hasn’t done Regina’s level of “dark” but I think this is more than just tax evasion.
Robin being this skilled of a thief….dare I say he was once an assassin of sorts? Not like Graham the “Huntsman”, but Robin being like an actual hitman/thief. Along with robbing, he killed whoever he was assigned to kill.
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
First of all redemption is subjective it will never mean the same thing for two people regardless. Most of the terrible things Regina has done that Epona mentioned were committed during the first season of OUAT when Regina was the Evil Queen, since then it is undoubtable that she is ‘trying’ in some way to be a better person like when she was able to use light magic so in that sense is she all bad with no good at all in any way. During the season finale I thought great Marian is back and a whole new dynamic will be given to Regina’s character, but then over the hiatus as I thought about that finale episode all I was able to see from the writing and direction was the Evil Queen and that’s probably because of that specific scene. Coming back to OUAT now for 4×01 it looks to me from where I’m standing that the writers are focusing on the EQ part of Regina (hence again for story reasons) even so they barely mention the changes she has gone through. I guess what I’m trying to say is whether its right to show the bad part of Regina over the good or changing side of her when both these qualities are now intrinsically a part of her and who she is. Hope this all makes sense. Some may say Rumple is further down the road to redemption even though he has been seen to follow his old ways every now and then but that’s fine since he is changing into a better person and with any sort of change its slow and gradual and there will be bumps along the road. Why can’t the same ‘allowance’ be given to Regina. Why is it that as soon as Regina slips up Oncers seem to forget the ‘good’ she has done and focus on the ‘bad’ meanwhile Rumple is given a different sort of reasoning that places him above her (talking in general terms). If your going to judge one character judge the others in the same way or else it will all be for nought. Let us not forget the other main villain (of sorts) in this show Hook. The writers have shown a great deal of change and goodness in Regina and Rumple, in Hook it appears to me as if they have barely or partially shown any of this and have decided to fast forward his redemption and just hand him his happy ending on a golden plate. We have not really seen him go through the turmoil Regina and Rumple have experienced and it very much irritates me as it would be good to have an insight into that side of Hook’s character which I think has been skipped.
I love this post….just….I love it!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
DEAR STORYBROOKE/Once Fandom:
YOU MEAN I SINGLE HANDLEDLY RESPONSIBLE FOR REGINA’S ACTIONS?!?! I HAVE CONTROL OVER THE SHOW!! I AM LIKE GOD!! BOW TO ME YOU LESSER HUMANS. I SHALL NOW MAKE ALL MY WISHES FOR ONCE UPON A TIME COME TRUE SINCE I HAVE ALL THE POWERZZZZZZ
Geez RG dear…did you catch the PS I left at the bottom? 😛
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
But the difference is Rumple IS recognising that he has done wrong, unlike Regina who’s always “it’s your fault” Regina doesn’t take responsibility for her actions whereas Rumple does even though he may try and justify them.
Sure. I get that. I think it’s a fair assessment. He might be a little bit further along Redemption Road than her, though I don’t think she’s too far behind him given Rumple’s actions vs Regina’s words. Regina’s words and ideas get her into trouble; Rumple’s actions get him into tangled messes. Which is worse? Subjectivity.
Wow…..Just…..Wow….Reading All The Recent Posts About Regina Has Me Like:
DEAR STORYBROOKE/Anti Evil Regal Fandom:
P.S. Only referencing to those that think Regina can’t get redemption…not really for the Forum Members dear! 😛
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
(Typing this as fast as I can because I’m watching the cake that’s in the oven.)
9. @RumplesGirl
I agree with almost everything you said, the only thing is….I guess I can understand Regina’s frustration in wanting to change her history. She’s tired…she’s exhausted….personally I think a long break out of Storybrooke would do her a lot of good, something I predict happening in the winter finale. Regina just leaving Storybrooke all together, and it’s actually gonna be Henry to rewrite History.
10. @Epona
I’m talking about, had Regina just given up and not cast the Dark Curse. Sooner or later, Zelena would have popped up in the Enchanted Forest with her change the past agenda, and more than likely would have used Emma(who would have been a baby, thus the Innocent) as her curse. And Zelena would have more than likely succeeded.
11. Regina was telling the truth about her feeling like a prisoner, as she told the same thing to Tinkerbelle in Quite A Common Fairy 3×03.
12. When we take it all the way back to the beginning….who had the first chance to kill who…Regina. She could have easily killed Snow White right after Leopold, but instead she sent Graham to do it. And when we bring it down to who had the last chance…Regina again, when she put Snow White’s heart back in her chest. Between sparing….Regina’s spared the Charmings more so than they have her, and the main reason Regina didn’t succeed was because she’d rather put on a show such as burning Snow at the stake and beheading Charming rather than just flicking her wrist and snapping their neck.
13. No matter how anyone wants to say it…Snow White is the cause of Daniel’s death. Do I think Daniel’s death was inevitable, yes it was whether Snow told or not, because Cora would have eventually found Regina unless Regina and Daniel went to another realm. But Snow White sure did speed up the inevitable by snitching on Regina. Cora was manipulative, but a secret is a secret, and Snow White knew what a secret was! I’ve got friends whose secrets I’m still keeping from their parents till this day….Snow White was just too gullible and naïve. So Daniel’s death is Snow White’s fault, and Cora’s death is definitely Snow’s fault…both of which I’m glad she acknowledged. Snow White never thinks of consequences, and the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree with Emma…but Emma is at least a lot brighter than her parents thank god.
14. I’m sorry, but when the crown is on Regina’s head…she’s the Queen! She makes the rules! The Villagers broke them! The villagers helped a fugitive, and thus they had to pay the price. NO one spoke up…had one person spoke up, Regina probably would have left. But no….they chose to go down for Snow White! Even when Regina gave the order to kill, any person in their right mind would have immediately spoke up to sell out Snow! And for poor villagers, heck, they needed the money to feed their families! They should have spoke up, and the same goes for Marian.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
We didn’t see their bodies, point out their bodies then I’ll believe there were children involved in the massacre! But even still…those children look too old to be considered children. And the people of that village had the same option Marian had…..you can either save yourself and tell Regina where Snow was, or die! Regina made it law to not help outlaws, Snow was back then an outlaw, whether she was right or wrong, those villagers were accessories to crime, thus preventing justice, which got them killed. Whether it’s right or wrong….it was law, and they broke it!
EVERYONE ASK YOURSELVES THIS: Had you been Marian, or one of those villagers….would you put your family at risk to harbor a fugitive, or would you have sold Snow White out to save your family? What would you have done? Because to be honest…if I knew my family lives were at stake….I’d have sold Snow White out the first time Regina asked. Because It came down to you or me.
And there was no evidence that Regina would kill Baby Emma…she may have just taken her in as vengeance to Snow. You’re raising your worst enemies daughter….opportunity of a lifetime!
And Regina called Snow “fat” in a more playful manner than insulting. Kinda like how family mess with each other…and it was Snow who called herself a brat. Regina is rebuilding a mother/daughter relationship with Snow White, which is good for S4 I think.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
1. The children were given clear instructions by Regina: TOUCH NOTHING!
You have children. How often does that work? Especially when there is candy involved and they are starving
Okay…@RumplesGirl got me on that one. Give me a day to get a come back on that one… 😛
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Boy we keep going back and forth…. 😛 But that’s alright! This is a little fun!
6. If Regina regrets any decisions she’s made…then she regrets Henry. And that’s something she does not regret! That’s why she doesn’t regret anything! Had Regina not done what she had done…Emma would have never met Neal, and Henry would never be born! Nine times out of ten, Zelena would have came along and destroyed everything, and actually win because Regina would have no love to pull from to defeat her. And Emma would have been more than likely the baby Zelena would have sacrificed. So in a way, it’s a good thing Regina doesn’t regret anything because it’s how her and her family has survived this long. I know it sounds strange and weird but it’s the truth…it was her having no regrets that helped Regina defeat Pan who would’ve surely killed them all.
7. The death of Leopold, you all know how I feel about that, and Regina should NOT have to apologize for killing the man who imprisoned her in a castle, and showed her off as only a trophy wife before locking her back away. Regina could not step foot outside the kingdom unless she was with him, and Leopold knowingly married his ex-fiancée’s daughter, who was three times younger than him, and accepted his ex-fiancée’s answer instead of the woman he was proposing to. Leopold sought out a trophy wife/mother and babysitter for Snow/bed partner. Yes, it may not have been shown, but I’m quite sure by Leopold’s jealousy in the Forbidden Fruit that he didn’t want NO other man after his young, fairest of them all, wife. Leopold may have been a good king, but he was a terrible husband with some sick problems!
8. And another thing,…..it should be the Charmings who are happy Regina was in a good place, and trying to be good. Because she could have killed them all and been done with the entire situation, and forced Henry to love her with that curse, but Regina decided against it. Regina willingly let Henry go to give him his best chance with the Charming Family, but I can guarantee, all Henry had to do was say he was ready to come home….No Charming or Ally in SB could have held Regina back from her son. And because of Snow White….Regina missed out on her first love which she did not deserve, and actually showed some form of mercy because if Regina really wanted Snow to suffer back in the EF….she could’ve just swiftly killed David and showed Snow the pain she caused her. And for killing Regina’s mother….Snow really deserves another death in her own family if we’re discussing who deserves what, but Regina left it at that, and is moving on. Right now….what Regina deserves, has earned, and long since been denied is a Happily Ever After.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
1. The children were given clear instructions by Regina: TOUCH NOTHING! Again…Regina probably kidnapped Hansel and Gretel’s father after they agreed to work for her, and probably would have reunited them had they not been so rude and disrespectful to her. Again, Regina didn’t push those children into the Witch’s House….Regina didn’t kill children! We have no proof that Regina ever killed a child….and knowing her character who had a very soft spot for children, the most she’d probably punish them is a week in the dungeons. But again…the children had a choice that they could’ve said no to, but instead they willingly accepted Regina’s offer.
2.Regina has taken responsibility for her past which is why she’s constantly reminding herself that she’s a villain. She knows what she did, she was there! She’s owned up to it, but the more she tries to move on and redeem herself, everyone keeps pushing her back into the Villain category! Regina and Rumple are two people who are being drowned by their past, because the people around them won’t let them up for air.
3. And once again…how much work will it take for Regina to redeem herself? Where does the road end! Where is the finish line! Because after all she’s done…she’s redeemed herself and more.
4. The people of Storybrooke will always wave the villain sign, and talk about her and Rumple behind their backs. Many people will cheer at their persistence, but secretly pray for their decline! Storybrooke isn’t Anti-Hero friendly…you’re either 100% goody two shoe like those sneaky Charmings, or you’re nothing but dirt beneath their feet. That’s how Storybrooke feels!
5. Regina or Rumple could sacrifice their lives again for Storybrooke, and die the next day, and only be remembered in light heart by their fans and the Charmings, however those who are against them(such as Storybrooke and other Oncers) will dismiss any good deed they’ve done, and say…”they got what they deserved”. They are not given a fair chance if people keep throwing the past in their faces.
And if Regina and Henry succeeds, God I hope they do, Regina can write herself a new story with a much happier ending. And not just her…she can give the villains their own happy ending….all Rumple was his son and love, all Cora used to want is money, but before she died she realized love is more important. And I think deep down…all Zelena wanted was Cora’s love. Chances of this happening is zero to none, but the point is….if Regina rewrites history and gives every villain what they wanted….everyone ends up happening. Because so many lives could have been spared had Bae not encountered the Blue Fairy, Johnathan not lied to Cora, and Snow not telling Regina’s secret.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
