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Regina needs to stop planning about getting rid of Marian. It was awfully convenient that everyone but Marian were knocked out and then everyone came round just in time to see Regina save Marian. I’d like to see Regina actually walk away from the OQ relationship then Robin has to work if he wants her back. Regina really needs to back off and not try and kill Marian.
This I agree….my headcannon is that Regina will only fight for Robin in 4A, but round the winter finale, she just completely gives up and leaves him alone which in 4B we will see her at her lowest point. And I vaguely see a sleeping curse happening since Maleficent is reappearing….
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Let’s not worry about it falling yet. Let’s just take in the fabulous news that for this week at least we are BACK TO OUR FORMER GLORY! This is the best we’ve had since ‘Broken’ premiered!
I understand wanting to celebrate, but here’s what people need to remember: those numbers have pretty much nothing to do with how great S3 was or even how good S4 will be. Those are FROZEN numbers. Those numbers are based solely on the fact that Frozen came to ONCE. And if people don’t like what they saw on Sunday (and I’m hearing mixed reviews all around) then yes, they will fall. This isn’t back to former glory. This is an anomaly that is predicated on one singular factor and should that one singular factor go sour or be met with criticism then those numbers will return to where we left off. And this is to say nothing about the second half of S4 which is not Frozen.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
WickedRegal* Am I understanding you right that you are saying it would be fine for Regina to “kill” Marion or more inadvertently just stand by and let her die knowing she could help- like in the snowmonster case. And that that would be okay for her to do ? then she would be “Good Regina” no longer a villain, and well on her way to redemption and finding her happy ending ?? How would that not put her right back in the Evil Queen role that she is trying to cast of herself? As you say, the situation is what it is. Marion is there now, whether she was ment to or not. Its not up to Regina to deside on “Fate’s” behalf what is supposed to be or not…
No….I’m saying Regina intervened with what Fate was going to fix for her….Regina was in the wrong place at wrong time…had she not been there, Fate would have fixed itself. But the “Good” Regina spared Marian’s life by saving her….I think that makes up for her killing her originally.
But Beware Marian, because Fate is gonna be “Final Destination” for you.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Ok….Elsa is more fierce than I thought….ice wall blocking SB, the look in her eyes….
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Ok….OutlawQueen was prophesied long time ago…..Fate had plans to unite Robin with Regina a long time ago! The prophecy more than likely still stands….and prophecy is worked by fate. Fate moved Marian out of the picture, it’s got some type of sense of humor, but still it was Marian’s fate to die! Emma changed it, thus TAMPERING with fate! Whether she saved a life or not, it was Marian’s fate to die! Emma took it upon herself to intervene, and screw with fate by stopping the process!
Had Emma not saved Marian….everybody, by Core Cast means, would be happy! There would be no worries! Emma has set in place a series of unfortunate events…and more than likely…Fate is gonna wanna play Final Destination with Marian’s life, a la Ice Monster choosing to squash her first instead of anyone else! Regina intervened that time, unknowingly stopping what could have been Fate righting Emma’s wrong. But that’s not the person she is anymore…she’s not the Evil Queen…she’s Regina, A mother/step-grandmother/Mayor/Queen….
According to Adam and Eddy: Roland barely knows his mother. Does it make it right…no…but it is what it is.
Doesn’t matter. At all. Children who grow up having lost one parent feel it deeply. They wonder about what that missing parent was like and how they would get along, ect. And Roland knows Marian NOW. He was in her arms, he hugged her, he called her Momma. It doesn’t matter one single bit how long Roland has known her.
2. I suspect they are going to be more creative in how they dish out happy endings than most of the fan conversations seem to imply. Remember, we’ve been told repeatedly, “Your happy ending may not be what you think it will be.” This avoids the problem of what seem to be mutually exclusive happy endings, e.g. Marion vs Regina. One of them doesn’t have to “lose” in order for the other to “win”. It’s quite possible that Marion or Regina or both could find a happy ending without Robin.
Given that Sean wasn’t made a regular cast member I am becoming quite suspicious that Regina’s HEA involves Robin at all. It really might just be a full heart and Henry.
She was clearly tempted to fall back into her old habits but managed to resist in the end and save Marion. I think her story remains interesting so long as she continues to take two steps forward and one step back, which provides a mechanism to study her character.
Agreed but Regina still thinks she can force a HEA and you…can’t. You can’t cheat fate by finding someone to write you a HEA.
4. I don’t think Emma is at fault in any way. She saved an innocent woman’s life! That’s a good thing. Period.
Agreed 100000000%
1. Fate is a cruel, twisted, but logical thing….Roland was being raised A-Okay by Robin alone….
2. If that’s the case then we can say the same about Rumple…his redemption could have just been sacrificing his life to defeat Pan, thus dying a hero who was redeemed. But that’s not the case, they brought him back, Rumbelle got wedding. I think that would be very unfair for Rumple (whose influence introduced darkness into the Mills Women lives, and also manipulated someone into killing one, and killed the other himself) has a happy ending with true love, and Regina who already lost her true love twice, be denied the same HEA.
And also…Outlaw Queen is prophesied to happen…Fate working hard to ensure that. Then OQ are soulmates, something Regina has over Marian, so that connection between Robin and Regina is probably higher than it ever was with Daniel and Marian.
3 And 4. Ok….did Emma not cheat Fate out of Marian’s death? I think she did….it’s Emma’s fault! Saving a life, and screwing with time…those came with heavy prices that Regina had to pay for Emma’s stupidity. Had Emma left well enough alone….NONE of this would even be happening!!!! If you went back in time, and Hook told you not to screw with anything, and Rumple told you not to screw with anything….WHY would you still screw with anything?
Emma made a very stupid decision that was somewhat OOC because S1 Emma would never tamper with Fate!
Regina is just righting Emma’s wrong!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
The biggest problem is the idea that you can force a happy ending and simultaneously take one away. If Regina gets her happy ending (and Marian dies) then what about Marian and Roland? They lose their happy ending. Regina HAS done good things. She was on the path, it was fine. But now she’s trying to force fate’s hand, which is what she tells Sidney. She doesn’t want to work for it anymore, she wants fate to be changed in her favor. That’s cheating the moral system.
According to Adam and Eddy: Roland barely knows his mother. Does it make it right…no…but it is what it is. Marian’s fate was death….Emma intervened and messed up with fate leaving Regina once again to pay the price. Was Emma rescuing Marian not forcing fate’s hand….yes she was….Regina is merely fixing what Emma broke.
How much work does it take? Death? Rumple tried that. Sacrifice? Regina tried that. Nothing works….she’s all out of options. Regina had succeeded, she won, she became a hero twice! Right up until the moment that Emma brought Marian back, thus rendering Regina off her pedestal of victory. Fate was in her favor until Emma screwed it up!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I agree with both Epona and WR. Regina has done many terrible things and she has done some good things. However, if we’re basing one good thing cancels out one bad thing, then Regina still has a lot of bad deeds to make up for. Regina is doing the thing she’s always done. She’s blaming others rather than taking responsibility for her actions. For example, she’s blaming Emma for ruining her happy ending, when it is Regina’s actions that are ruining her own happy ending.
If Regina (or anyone) wants a happy ending then she needs to earn it (and she HAS started on that path). But she cannot manipulate the situations or “change fate” to get herself a happy ending.
What good deed can this woman do to make up for her past???? Again I ask….after everything….what will it take!
Rumplestilskin sacrificed his own life to save SB from Pan, and yet people still put him on the “villain” pedestal. Regina was willing to sacrifice her life to send the people she cursed back home to the EF, and then turned around and sacrificed her own happy ending by sending Henry away with Emma, still sending the people she cursed back home to the EF.
How is Regina blaming others? It is Emma’s fault….good deed or not…she did not think of the consequences of screwing with time and fate! So Marian being back, is Emma’s fault. And Marian dying….clearly we were shown that Marian had two choices. You can either snitch and go back home to your family, or you can keep Snow White’s secret and die for her. Marian chose option 2 which landed her where she was. Did Regina kill her…yes! Did Regina give Marian an option…yes! Did Marian take that option…No!
Marian was trying to touch fire, hoping she wouldn’t get burned. But as Regina said “silence was stupidity”.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I agree with something @PriceofMagic and @CallMeLola said: it’s unrealistic for everyone to get a happily ever after. This is something we touched on in our summer love and romance thread a bit as well: the fact that ONCE has gotten away from “reality” too much. The families of the victims of our villains can never have a happily ever after because their loved ones were taken from them. In this episode Regina admits to Sidney that she killed many, captured many…well, how do the families of those get happy endings? Now with that said, if you don’t think that somehow, magically, everyone will get a HEA then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. It will happen. Everyone will get their HEA, but that doesn’t..quite…fit.
I too agree that the point of Emma’s mission as the Savior is unrealistic…she can’t bring back everyone’s happy ending. But let’s look at the families of those who were killed….they were killed in the EF where life for a peasant was terrible! Harsh winters, terrible crop, no money….but the Dark Curse managed to bring all of those peasants to Storybrooke where everything is near equal. Grocery store, indoor heat, indoor plumbing, democracy, ovens and stoves, cars….the peasants lives are much simpler. So true in fact that one of their loved ones are dead, they know that their loved ones would want them to enjoy the pleasantries that our world now gives them, thus giving them some form of a Happily Ever After.
The Peasants Happily Ever After is being in our world, where they are free, have some money, able to live in a home and not some hut….that’s their happy ending.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
And I think Regina’s earned her hero title….does Storybrooke appreciate her for it? Do the Charmings acknowledge it? No! They automatically assume that Emma did it….nothing peeved me off more than when Hook told Emma that “she defeated Zelena”….like really? Any good deeds Regina has done were swept under the rug, concealed from public view….and the ones that the public do see, they give one clap and move on. With that type of support, I can’t blame Regina for regressing back into old habits because after everything she’s done, it’s never enough….and as long as Storybrooke remains “Hero Only, Screw Reforming Or Not Villains,” It never will be.
So you really think one or two good things are enough to make up for ALL of the terrible stuff she’s done? Stuff that she outright said she doesn’t even regret? It seems that in Regina’s mind only other people have to deal with the consequences of their actions… Also–and this applies to all the “villains”, not just Regina–wouldn’t the “happy endings” of those people whose loved ones had been murdered include seeing their killers brought to justice? Like I said before, I agree with what @PriceofMagic said earlier–it just doesn’t seem possible for everyone to have a happy ending at the same time.
One or two good deeds…??? Must I give the Regina Good Deeds Gif again? This woman has done everything, even willing to sacrifice her own life just so the people she cursed could get away in time….if that’s not redeeming enough, then nothing never will be.
The Victims in SB who were under Regina, Rumple, Hook, Zelena, Cora, etc, era of Darkness have seen them suffer!
Cora dead.
Zelena dead.
Hook….no clue what price he paid yet.
Rumplestilskin was treated like an animal by Zelena, and then lost his son Neal, the reason behind his 300 years of darkness!
Regina lost not only her true love a second time, her mother was killed, her sister was killed, she had to give her son up more times than I can count, sacrificed her own happy ending to save the people she cursed, then lost her soul mate, her very last chance at happiness!
The Villains have PAID their dues! An eye for an eye, well all of that is paid now….Storybrooke has seen them suffer for their sins! Now it’s the time to cut print and move on! Villains deserve their chance at happiness, since they’ve clearly paid a heavy price for their wrong.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Um… isn’t Rumple a “Villain” with a Happy Ending? And The Red Queen…she is a “Villain” with a happy ending too, no? It seems that “villains” are capable of redemption without finding the author of the book
Has Rumple been redeemed though? He did just murder someone last season. The Red Queen..yes. But she owned up to her mistakes and failing. She was even willing to die (and did die) for them.
And the question remains….What does it take for villains to be fully redeemed within the eyes of the good? Because as soon as villains do get on their feet, and try to make a change….they have NO support from the good side. And no support usually means slipping back into nasty habits. Hence, Henry not going after Regina, thus we have what we have.
No matter what the villains do! The Heroes are always there to move the bar and expectations to an inconsiderable height, that makes it near impossible for the villains to match. It’s like the popular club, no matter what the nerds did, they could NEVER get in. The Heroes are very much hypocrites to me….I think they feel their position would be challenged because they know that villains have the potential to become even better Heroes because villains aren’t afraid to get dark and dirty to get the job done. Heroes will just talk themselves out the situation first, or try to compromise….(cough) Charmings (cough). But the villains, oh the villains (Regina, Rumple, Hook) will curse, beat, torture the information out of their foes, thus solving the situation much faster than the heroes can, ala the Neverland Mission.
But even still…no matter what the villains may do or say….they are never deemed good enough to be on the good list. Heroes are nothing special, nor are they perfect, the Charmings have clearly shown that! We still don’t know what makes Emma Swan so dang special that she was deemed the title savior, like there had to be thousands of other newborn babies out there in the Enchanted Forest who were born by the same slightly obsessive true love that the Charmings had! What made Emma so special?
It’s high time villains get their happy ending, redeemed villains though. Even the Villains who had a chance for redemption but were denied it…those villains need a chance to right their wrong. And those that already have righted their wrong, if their still being denied a happy ending….then something is wrong with the Heroes.
And I think Regina’s earned her hero title….does Storybrooke appreciate her for it? Do the Charmings acknowledge it? No! They automatically assume that Emma did it….nothing peeved me off more than when Hook told Emma that “she defeated Zelena”….like really? Any good deeds Regina has done were swept under the rug, concealed from public view….and the ones that the public do see, they give one clap and move on. With that type of support, I can’t blame Regina for regressing back into old habits because after everything she’s done, it’s never enough….and as long as Storybrooke remains “Hero Only, Screw Reforming Or Not Villains,” It never will be.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
