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"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
So everyone has social security numbers in SB, because they magically appeared within the US System.
Absolute conjecture on your part. There has never been any proof whatsoever that anyone in SB has a SS# that would be recognizable to the United States Government. The Curse did not affect the outside world. The US government does not know of SB, Maine. They have never filed for federal taxes, they do not vote in public elections.
So Storybrooke is a magically created town that in the eyes of the law, is a real town.
SB is real in the sense that it exists for the people living in it. Legally, to the United States of America this town does not exist and has never existed.
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And there is no proof that SB isn’t recognized by our government. We have no clue if they hadn’t filed federal taxes, or vote in public elations. These are all once again assumptions just because it’s a curse made town. It was created by magic, so I’m quite sure, all of it’s records was created through magic!
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Once again…it was created through magic! It may very well be recognized as a real small town by the US! Just as Amish Towns are near impossible to find, the same could be said for Storybrooke!
@POM… once again, assumptions assumptions. Due to Rumple’s “meticulous dealing” history, we are left to assume that Rumple “worked the system” through illegal means. But, we have no proof of such. 😛 Again….we don’t know the time span between Regina visiting Rumple, and her going to Boston. That could have been ten months apart.
Oh, and Rumple does owe Regina in a sense…I mean big time. From hinting off Snow to how to kill her mother, to killing her sister, and yes Regina did save Pandora Box Trapped Rumple, as well as Henry from Pan. Then she saved Rumple from Zelena, by defeating her sister, and even gave the dagger back to Belle. And as I said….what magic less things did Regina do in SB that could incarcerate her? If we’re referring to the Mary Margret/Kathryn situation…well, Rumples name would be dragged into that also, and I’m 99.9% sure, he wouldn’t allow that to happen. Imprisoning Belle in the looney bin? Well, I’m sure there are curse created records, that would explain that. Sidney Glass? The genie’s too in love/obsessed with Regina, to go behind her like that.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I just had an insane thought. What if in Rumple’s shop he had Elsa’s urn sitting somewhere the whole time… But when Emma and Hook went back in time, they changed the urn’s location? If Elsa was already released, has she been here the whole time?
Never thought of that, and now it’s completely bugging me! Someone tweet Adam this question, because I need an answer!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
This is an extremely interesting conversation
lets see what I can throw in here: Hmm, gonna throw this out there: Regina is technically, ya know, an illegal citizen of, ya know, our world >_> her magic/the curse basically created a false identity for her and everyone in SB. If you really think about it, Henry’s adoption really was illegal because “Regina Mills, Mayor of StoryBrooke, Maine” doesn’t exist. Anything pertaining to her is technically false. Now idk much about adoption and the legal paperwork and such but I would guess that even if a real person, lets say her name was Jane Johnson, managed to created false documents with false information, but filed them legally and obtained a child by going through the proper channels, if she were found out, she’d probably not only have the child taken away from her, she’d be in prison. Isn’t it th same concept? Does any of what I just said make sense?So those accounts would not be held in the court of law, and therefore Regina would not be held accountable for any of her actions.
Not all of Regina’s crimes happened in the EF. She still killed Graham and admitted it, plus she admitted to trying to poison Emma and ended poisoning her son. Ya know. The son she adopted. Just bringing up that alone could get Henry taken away. Oh, and she killed Owen’s dad. And confessed that too. So even without bringing magic into it, if they wanted to make a case against Regina they’ve got plenty to choose from
but my statement still stands, I think Henry should just alternate equally between Emma and Regina. I.
Technically…through the magic of the curse, it created legal identities for everyone in SB! So everyone has social security numbers in SB, because they magically appeared within the US System. It’s Magic…it made everything real! Storybrooke can much be compared to an Amish Village, it may be near impossible to find, but if it’s in the system, it exists somewhere. So Storybrooke is a magically created town that in the eyes of the law, is a real town.
As for the documents….again….who says any of the process was illegal??? What proof was shown or said that Rumple did this illegally? If Regina and Emma went before a US Judge tomorrow, Regina could pull out legal documents of both Emma signing away her parental rights, as well as her signed legal adoption papers. She could even call up the man who authorized the adoption! I’m pretty sure The Agency looked up to see whether or not SB is a real place, and due to the magical curse, it came up as a real place! It’s even on the US Map, I think we saw in the pilot when Emma was driving Henry back home to SB. And on the US map Tamara had when she was traveling there. Everything about Storybrooke, as far as America concerned, is legit! And so is the adoption.
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Emma: Your honor…this woman is the Evil Queen who cursed every fairy tale character to Storybrooke! She magically crushed the heart of the former Sheriff of Storybrooke! And poisoned my son with a sleeping cursed Apple Turnover! Cursed Belle with amnesia, and used her as bait for Rumpelstilskin! (Rumple would be tied into the Kathryn situation/tampering evidence, so I’m sure he’s going to make sure that doesn’t come up, plus…he owes Regina because she did come up with that ulterior Pan situation that could have worked, not to mention she saved him from both Pan and Zelena control. Greg and Tamara are dead, so NO ONE knows about the whole Owen Situation.)
The Judge:
Regina:
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Most (if not all) people on the waiting lists would have had lawyers too, and there’s really no way to “get around” the wait and home studies and things without going through questionable channels. And the waiting lists for a healthy white newborn are the longest of all; there are plenty of cases of people basically buying babies illegally.
I agree. I think Rumple either forged documents or bribed people to sign off on things in order to get things rolling along quickly. There is no way Regina could’ve jumped ahead of the waiting list legally. The documents she had seemed to imply that all the necessary checks had been done hence why she was able to get Henry straightaway. So whilst she may have a piece of paper saying that she is “officially” Henry’s mother, she obtained that paper through fraudulent methods.
Well…to think is one thing, it’s again, an assumption. What we were shown was that the adoption was legal, and I think Adam even confirmed this on his twitter. We have no proof that it was through fraudulent methods, as Rumple was a real lawyer, and could have gone through the right route. Besides this is a television show, we have no idea the timeline between her meeting with Rumple to her heading to Boston to adopt Henry. It could have been ten months for all we know, but the point is, by Emma signed over all parental rights, making her legally not his mother and with no relations whatsoever. Regina legally adopted him, and she is Henry’s mother.
@Epona, As for Regina’s crimes, if the Charmings went to our government claiming that Regina was the Evil Queen who cursed every fairy tale character to Earth….that case would be thrown out, and the Charmings would be sent to the crazy house. So those accounts would not be held in the court of law, and therefore Regina would not be held accountable for any of her actions."If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Well….The fact that we were shown Regina adopting Henry was entirely legal….I thought it ended all debate on that aspect. Regina adopted Henry fair and square
Regina: I spent all morning talking to adoption agencies. The wait lists are over two years long. But you, Gold, you know how to cut through red tape. And if anyone can work the system and find me a baby, it’s you. Working the system is illegal. Circumventing normal practices where an adoptive family is closely investigated, including having a home visit by social services, is illegal. And if a parent brings their baby back for a refund it’s completely unbelievable that said parent would just be allowed to turn around and walk back out with the child because there’s obviously some instability there and the people who arrange adoptions go to great lengths (under usual, legal circumstances) to ensure that children go to safe, stable homes. For so many reasons, the explanation we got as to how the adoption happened was unsatisfactory, and from what we saw it didn’t leave me at all convinced of the legitimacy of it. Just because Regina managed to dupe the authorities and come out on top, that doesn’t mean the adoption was actually above board and legal.
Well…we don’t know if Rumple did anything illegally? That’s an assumption many Oncers have made….but Rumple was in fact a lawyer. So I’m sure he knew all the lawyer things to know, and probably knew how to sweet talk the system into finding him a baby for adoption.
But this scene….was clear proof that Regina did go by regular route in adopting Henry. She legally adopted Henry, and by law, she is Henry’s mother. And by closed adoption, Emma signed over all parental rights….so in the eyes of the law, she is no longer Henry’s mother…Regina is. But now Regina is willingly sharing Henry with Emma, so they now share him.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGjLLQgb1Nw
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
You can love them from the moment you meet them,
And Emma loved Henry the moment she met him in the pilot, hence STAYING in town. Look, the greater point is this: this is not about Regina and it’s not about Emma. It’s about HENRY. Herny needs BOTH his mothers, in equal measure. This is about the child, not two women squabbling over who has more RIGHT to the kid. Henry loves both his parents and wants to be with them both. Regina and Emma are the ADULTS here. They need to make it work, not fight about it.
I agree with all of this…but the level Regina and Emma are on is very different. And the Charmings mindset of seeing them as equal, such as Snow’s “I don’t think Emma has to run anything by you anymore”….is a deep, deep issue, that has to be resolved…..very quickly!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I’m just saying that it doesn’t make much sense to try to go by our laws for the custody arrangements but not for all of Regina’s very serious crimes.
The legitimacy of the legality of the custody arrangement is questionable to begin with. If your address won’t show up on google maps there’s no way they’d let you have legal custody of a child. Anyway, the point in this particular case is that Henry loves both his mothers, and the two of them had become more accepting of each other as well. If not for the bringing-back-Marian hot mess, Emma coulda just moved into one of the frillion spare rooms at Regina’s, making shared custody easy. I hope they have something believable in store for showing Henry stuck between his mothers who are fighting all over again.
Well….The fact that we were shown Regina adopting Henry was entirely legal….I thought it ended all debate on that aspect. Regina adopted Henry fair and square….Storybrooke may show up on Google, it’s just a place that no one can find! 😛
As a town of the United States, I’m sure Storybrooke is registered to be a real place as far as America is concerned, no one hasn’t been able to find it. That’s all. But The Adoption was legal!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
just doesn’t seem too fair, as the woman has only really known her son for two years.
You have 5 children. did you love each and every single one of them the moment you saw them for the first time.
Technically 4 kids, and of course….I’ve been in my kids lives since they were babies. Emma was not! You can love them from the moment you meet them, hence why Emma gave Henry up in the first place, wanting what’s best for him. It’s an entirely different situation when the mother has been absent for the first ten years of the child’s life, and then come back, acting as if they’ve always been there.
I got highly irritated with Emma when she said in 3×09 that she knew exactly how Regina felt about Henry. Had Henry died in NL, yes, Emma would have been crushed, but Regina would have been shattered! The reason why is because Regina raised Henry, been there for him for everything, has ALL of the memories from first steps, first words, first day of school! The time Regina shared with Henry would have intensified her pain to probably an unrepairable state , while Emma has a bigger chance of healing given few years.
Evidence: (3×09, Saving Henry)
“You Have No Idea What I Feel!” – Regina
“You’re Right…I Don’t Know How You Feel.” – Emma
Lana Parrilla herself said that Emma swooping into town, taking Henry was not gonna cut it!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Well….Holidays is an easy solution, everyone gets Henry then! Regina being the family matriarch, and the person with the biggest house in Storybrooke(Well…debatable with Rumple)…I’m quite sure Christmases, Thanksgivings, Halloweens, Fourth of July’s could easily be spent either there or Rumple’s Mansion.
Alright fine….but, the living situation has to change. Henry can’t possibly live with his grandparents, new uncle, and bio mother under a two bedroom, crammed apartment. I mean between that, and the four/five bedroom mansion Regina has….or even the four bedroom mansion Rumple has….the kid needs his own space.
What Adam and Eddy have tried to pull was an instant mother out of Emma….they’ve tried their hardest, even going so far as installing false memories in Emma and Henry that Emma had always been there in his life. Trying to put Emma on an instant equal pedestal as Regina…just doesn’t seem too fair, as the woman has only really known her son for two years. And the Charmings have taken advantage of that situation, such as Emma’s constant Season 2B/Season 3B baring “He’s My Son!”
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
