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"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Snowing as rulers…a shepherd turned false prince along with a spoiled princess turned bandit….hmmmmmm.
To be honest…they would be okay monarchs, not the best, but okay. We didn’t see too much of their reign, but the people seemed happy enough to deal with them. For one thing, @PriceofMagic has a point, they are definetly somewhat selfish enough to where if war broke out in Cinderella’s kingdom or Philora’s kingdom…I don’t know whether or not if they’ll intervene, and assist unless they are being threatened by the same force.
For example…had it been Maleficent about to attack Philora’s kingdom, I can’t say whether or not Snow and Charming would send back up to defend their allied kingdoms. Snowing tends to steer clear of trouble if it doesn’t involve them. However, Snowing did help Cinderella and Thomas with the Rumple issue.
So to rate Snowing as rulers, I would give them 3/5 Stars. But I really think the Enchanted Forest needs to be divided into four kingdoms, ruling in four separate parts. Kinda like how the Witches of Oz were, you have the rulers of the north, south, east, and west kingdoms, and the Peasants need to vote who runs what.
But what we do need is a map of the Enchanted Forest, because that seemed to be a whole world. Like in the past, it looked like there was the big mega kingdom with the smaller kingdoms under it. Because wasn’t everyone under the Enchanted Forest, and Snow’s family was like the declared Monarchy of the whole realm, but with the smaller kingdoms under it?
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Regina was jealous of Snow, of her having all she wished for from her point of view. Snow had her true love Prince Charming, the people loved and helped Snow even despite the threats and fear Regina spread, even someone as seemingly uninterested in humans as the hunter Graham, who preferred to live with wolfs and pretty much despised humans, “fell” for the sweetness and innocence Snow seemed to represent to people. Regina saw a different Snow, one who couldn’t keep her mouth shut, who believed she was good and doing good but caused that way havoc in Regina’s life, who was adored by her father to a degree of being a spoiled brat. People assumed an inner beauty in Snow, that from the point of view of Regina wasn’t there. It was not about the outer beauty, or only in the sense, that we in general assume a connection between inner and outer beauty. It would have been maybe a bit clearer if they’d used the phrase as it was in the fairy tale (and if I remember correctly as well in the animated movie): “fairest of them all”, so instead of pretty let have Snow said, “she thought I was fairer than her”. Problem is, many are not aware of that meaning of fair, the meaning of beautiful to look at. To me that sentence was not a lie, more of a misplaced linguistic modernisation of a thought at the very core of the Snow White tale, Snow’s alleged pureness and (inner) beauty. A nod to the movie, to what people know about the tale but written badly. It was odd that Snow used the word pretty instead of fair seeing that otherwise they let the characters talk old fashioned in the EF. Unnecessary and in this case even misleading modernisation for the sake of getting a modern audience into it. Ginnifer Goodwin said in an interview though as well, that they played a bit with the vanity of Snow, who after all in the tale is blended by shiny things, typical young woman so to speak though, like a nice comb, silky laced bodices, a tasty looking apple. You can find that interview btw on the first page of this thread. I have some problems with the overall writing and with the writing of snow concerning relationship to Emma, but making Snow a somewhat ambiguous character, and they did that from the pilot on, was a rather good move. People though struggle to see Snow in a less favorable way, and I think they don’t really bring it across. Good intentions by the writers but not so good execution. The twisted thing is, that Mary Margaret in some ways might have been actually the better version of Snow, exception maybe the bandit Snow side. It would be rather ironic, if Regina’s Dark Curse brought out the better of Snow, her actual beauty and fairness. Regina might have thought, might have been made to believe she was in control of the curse, but she never fully was. Besides that Rumple was the true mind behind it, think the curse had a bit of a mind of its own. And still the Dark Curse did its job, as Ginny quite nicely describes it in that interview, MM is constantly getting in her own way. Even after the curse is broken she still does. I agree with @WickedRegal that Snow is a bit of a self righteous hero. She is frequently missing how ambiguous good intentions can be at times. Not sure if I said it here in the forums before, but IMO most heroes are the fools doing the stupid stuff but getting away with and in most cases save lifes. What they do might have been not even the reasonable thing to do, though it was despite all the right thing to do (reasonable and right are different from what we choose mostly to belief in our modern scientific world view not automatically one and the same). And doing the right not always means doing good for all who would deserve it, it can have plenty of shades of grey. The problem is, that some of the people convinced that they are the good guys just can’t admit it, that good and evil are often not that far from each other, not as clear cut as we wish it to be. Snow should know better, but she chooses to wrap herself into some pink bubble of hope again and again (while Regina is the other end of the scale, wrapping herself again and again in a black bubble of despair).
This is a difficult one. I don’t think a parent can really be the friend of their child. A friend is on an equal standing with the child whilst a parent is an authority figure and therefore a higher position.
But as Emma points out in 301, how much wisdom can Snow really share when they are the same age? Snow doesn’t have the life experience to teach Emma, not really. Especially not in the “real” world.
Seeing it somewhat different what parents are or should be. The role of parents is in constant change with the child growing up, but that might be because I grew up with what is called a democratic parenting style, in our case leaning more to the permissive side than authoritarian. Seeing parents less in a higher position but more in a position of more experience and knowledge which is what establishes a (timely limited) authority until the child is able to judge in the matters itself. In other words, with the increase of knowledge and experience of the child the authority of the parents decreases. At best it leads to a change over time in relationship of parents and child coming closer to a friendship, mutual respect and care without (forced) dependency. But besides that, because Snow didn’t raise Emma any attempt to parent Emma is stupid, the only chance for a good relationship to her is to become her friend.
I just love this entire post @Myril!! Like…best break-down explanation EVER!!! Just….brilliance!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I wanted Neal and Henry to have an adventure together.
And NL could have been that adventure if it had been more intriguing….
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
(Sigh) This video just reminded me of how much potential SwanFire had, and how all that potential just went down the drain.
Why Adam and Eddy? Why? You took Graham…then you took Neal…whatever happened to True Love Conquering All?????????
Warning: (This video may result in devastating your emotions. Side effects include wheeping, sobbing, screaming, agitation, aggravation, and a need to grab a bucket of ice cream, and rewatch Tallahassee/Manhattan. If you have any of these symptoms, we highly suggest that you find your nearest Oncer, and cry on their shoulder till the symptoms pass. Watch with caution.)
Neal/Emma-Say Something
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I can take it
Oh god…now I’m worried! 😛
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
—Spirits— (Based off the 1990 Movie Ghost)
Neal and Emma are a very happy couple and deeply in love. Walking back to their new apartment after a night out at the theatre, they encounter a thief in a dark alley, and Neal is murdered. He finds himself trapped as a ghost and realizes that his death was no accident. He must warn Emma about the danger that she is in. But as a ghost he can not be seen or heard by the living, and so he tries to communicate with Emma through Rumple Bruce Gold, a psychic who didn’t even realize that his powers were real.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
And I still question whether or not Snow White lied to the people about her part in Regina’s wrath? Because in the Pilot…she told Charming that Regina poisoned her because she was prettier….a lie isn’t nothing for a Descendant from the White Family to tell…
This isn’t a plot thing. This is a PILOT problem. The show was just beginning. You can’t go into your mythology or you’ll confuse people. Instead you give them something they’ll recognize. That line was A and E drawing people into the series with something that the audience understands because that’s the version of Snow White we know. Honestly, the line should be stricken from our memories are a pilot blunder in order to keep their audience.
Adam and Eddy said they knew what Snow had done from the very start…if they wanted to do that, they could have simply had one of the dwarfs discuss that portion while on the roof of why The Queen may hate Snow, but instead they allow Snow White to say it. It’s no longer relevant due to the current circumstances the gang is about to face, I was just wondering if anyone knew the truth rather than the “Whose The Fairest” tale Snow may or may have not given.
They may have known once they say down and wrote the rest of the episodes, like episode 3 or 4. but there is time in between writing a pilot, shooting a pilot, getting picked up, shooting the rest of the series. I don’t think they necessarily had it in their head that Snow had told Regina’s secret. In 103, Snow Falls, she says that she ruined Regina’s life but at that point, Snow does’t know anything about Daniel being dead. And it’s what the audience expects: why would Evil Queen go after Snow? Well, duh. Disney told me that when I was a kid! To sell the show you have to give the audience something they know, esepcially when you’re entire premise is “you know nothing. here’s the real story” if you hit them with too much (snow and Charming have a daughter! who has a son! who is adopted by Evil Queen! Shenanigans ensue!) they’ll leave.
Hehheheheheehhe!!!!!!!!!!! That is really so true….you can’t tell a story all dry, you’ve got to sell it!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
And I still question whether or not Snow White lied to the people about her part in Regina’s wrath? Because in the Pilot…she told Charming that Regina poisoned her because she was prettier….a lie isn’t nothing for a Descendant from the White Family to tell…
This isn’t a plot thing. This is a PILOT problem. The show was just beginning. You can’t go into your mythology or you’ll confuse people. Instead you give them something they’ll recognize. That line was A and E drawing people into the series with something that the audience understands because that’s the version of Snow White we know. Honestly, the line should be stricken from our memories are a pilot blunder in order to keep their audience.
Adam and Eddy said they knew what Snow had done from the very start…if they wanted to do that, they could have simply had one of the dwarfs discuss that portion while on the roof of why The Queen may hate Snow, but instead they allow Snow White to say it. It’s no longer relevant due to the current circumstances the gang is about to face, I was just wondering if anyone knew the truth rather than the “Whose The Fairest” tale Snow may or may have not given.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
