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I can’t disagree with you in theory, WR. Emma was naïve. She did meddle. Magic has a price for Emma. And so does years of hideous criminal behavior without accountability for Regina…even with her mostly redemptive arc.
I nearly went down the list of the terrible life Regina had, but decided to hold that off till the Regina Discussion Thread comes up. For now I’ll say, if you go back and look at Regina’s life….you will find that Karma never waited years later to screw Regina over, it happened right after she did her own misdeed.
Lest we forget that Regina basically saved the day everyday in S3…so I take it as Karma and Regina being even. And if Regina and Rumple’s life is how Karma likes to pay people back….I dread for the Charmings.
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Regina might make Emma feel guilty about saving Marian but that puts Regina in the wrong.
Umm…when Emma and Hook encountered Past Rumple, he specifically told them to touch nothing else….and bringing someone back who was supposed to die, is definitely messing with fate and destiny, who had brought Robin and Regina together without that whole Marian Death issue, because that never would have come out, and everyone would still be happy.
But bringing back Marian sabotaged destiny’s plans to unite Robin and Regina, thus bringing along with it issues. Which means Emma is going to pay a heavy price for tampering with fate, as Rumple said, All magic comes with a price.
And the answer to the Robin and Regina’s fast progression is simple…they’re the only soulmates, so far confirmed on the show. Soulmates are of an entirely different level than True Loves such as the other couples…a deeper, firmer connection soulmates have than true loves. You can have many true loves, but only one soul mate.
And I don’t believe Regina should be held in the wrong for a naïve act that Emma committed, who just like her mother, never thought once of the consequences of changing the work of fate. Although Snow White has an excuse of being a child, well somewhat of an excuse that’s barely working for her because she still understood what a secret was. But if I put on the scale of whose decision was more foolish….I’d say Emma has the medal for that one, because she is thirty years old, intelligent, and knew better than to change the events of the past.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I’d really love to see more of Belle’s backbone, one of the best parts of her defending her sense of self-respect to Hook and Regina. And also Belle is such a resilient woman, it’d be nice to see her step up to the plate a little in S4, and take action….like maybe Snow and Robin can give her some bow and arrow practice? Or maybe Belle has an inner white magic she never knew? But it’s wonderful that Belle is sorta the Velma of our Scooby Doo Once Version Cast! 😛
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Ohhhh……I think it’s time we see how Cora raised young Regina!!!! Or maybe see that confrontation about Regina between Cora and Rumple!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
As we speak….Oncers on Twitter are fighting hard for @TheAnnaFaith to be cast as our Elsa!
And I think I’ve joined the #Anna4OnceElsa Support Group….the girl practically lives the part. She even does free shows for kids, and elderly people as Elsa. This girl is practically our best option.
Even EOnline agrees…. http://www.eonline.com/news/550568/this-girl-looks-exactly-like-elsa-from-frozen
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
As we speak….Oncers on Twitter are fighting hard for @TheAnnaFaith to be cast as our Elsa!
And I think I’ve joined the #Anna4OnceElsa Support Group….the girl practically lives the part. She even does free shows for kids, and elderly people as Elsa. This girl is practically our best option.
Even EOnline agrees…. http://www.eonline.com/news/550568/this-girl-looks-exactly-like-elsa-from-frozen
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Here is a question for ya: if Regina’s choices are determined by outer influences, such as Rumple… Then this must also mean Rumple’s choices are determined by outer influences.. what are those then?
Rumple is a also a product of circumstance but he also made his own choices. Milah, war, poverty, Malcolm…they all made Rumple the man he is…but so did Rumple himself.
I agree with everything RumplesGirl said….our villains are villains because of how life treated them like (beep)…but I blame Malcolm above all else for how Rumple and history turned out. Amazing how one screwed up parent can alter the life of not only their child, but anyone who encounters their child…. Screw Malcolm.
But got dangit….Rumple can make the most adorable facial expressions! 😛
Here is a question for ya: if Regina’s choices are determined by outer influences, such as Rumple… Then this must also mean Rumple’s choices are determined by outer influences.. what are those then?
Do you know how peeved off I’ll be at the Charmings if they kept Rumple out of Henry’s life simply because Neal was dead….like to the max! That’s why I’m thankful the whole Ava/Cora thing came out, and showed them that they shouldn’t be as self righteous as they were in season 2. As long as Henry has Stilskin Blood in him, Rumple has grandfather rights to him. Just as if Cora was still alive, she’d have grandparents right to Henry because of his Mills Lineage.
#GiveRumpleHisRights….
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
do you think you could manage to have this conversation with us without screaming? It’s really not necessary. We’re having a character conversation in which everyone’s opinions are valid but it’s hard to want to take this conversation further with you yelling at us.
I’m sorry @RumplesGirl….my Evil Regal Feelings tend to overeact at times…they’re super sensitive during a hiatus. Then going through the Once withdrawals, plus my patience level has been low lately(curse that Eve for eating that forbidden fruit and forcing women to go through this!)…Sorry!
And I guess….the overall Rumple/Regina situation put into simpler quote….Regina may have pulled the trigger, but Rumpelstilskin loaded the gun. So her turning out the way she did, he had major influence, and it was practically as easy as taking candy from a baby considering Henry Sr. was too much of a coward to talk sense into her. But then again…what’s happened is what’s happened….and even though it sent her through much turmoil and depression, without Rumpelstilskin, there would be no Storybrooke. And I can’t believe I’m saying this, but thank god he pushed her into casting the curse….Enchanted Forest was just….no comment.
Back to the Rumpelstilskin conversation topic…..The line of redemption for him…..where does it stand? Has he taken too many steps back, and how long do you think it’d be before he can get back on the side of good and Honest.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Woah! Woah! Woah!
Ummmmm! Wow! Sooooo you mean tell me that all of Regina’s decisions were on her own??? Okay….so, let’s take this back before Regina was even conceived! Before her conception, Rumpelstilskin knew for years that he was going to darken her soul! And technically, because she’s the second born, Regina was darkened for no reason, as it was supposed to be Zelena Rumpelstilskin darkned, but we’ll blame all of that on Cora.
But Regina being the Evil Queen was decided for her, not really of her own free will. And no matter how many times she has tried to run from the darkness, Rumple being the evil imp on her left shoulder was right there to steer her back in. Did Rumple have to answer to Regina when she first called him….No! When Regina was leaving King Leo’s Palace, did Rumple have to show up on that road, and convince her to go back? NO! When Regina only wanted to bring Daniel back, which would have worked had it been the right heart, did Rumple have to get Jefferson and Whale to deceive her, thus tearing away her hope for love and happiness? NO! When Regina had quit Rumple lessons, in a last attempt to be good, did Rumple have to show up and install in her that there was no hope, and that the darkness had already snagged her, and that she’d be nothing without her anger? That there was no hope she could ever find love again, and is doomed to be evil? Did Rumple have to do that….NO!!!
By installing in her that her fate was sealed, and that all she had was the darkness….Regina was unable to find the courage to go into that Tavern and meet Robin Hood. And we have proof of Rumple’s influence blocking that happy ending, when Regina declared in 3×03 that the “Anger and darkness was all that she had” and she had no idea who she’d have been without it.
All of those things combined with Cora’s own dark influence, Snow betrayal, created the Evil Queen. Therefore Rumple holds responsibility over the deaths that were under Regina’s hands. I’m not saying all of it, because Cora and Snow played their parts, but Rumple’s dark influences and actions played a heavy part in the creation of his “MOnster” that he himself said he wanted to make out of Regina. So Regina’s fate toward darkness had been decided long before her birth, and Rumple knew exactly what to do and say to make her into a monster!
As for the Hansel and Gretel….for the last time! Regina always Asked the children to do her the favor, and warned them of the consequences!!! It was their choice to accept her offer, when they could have just as easily rejected. And no that is not similar to the Rumple and Regina situation, because Rumple was dead set on Regina casting that curse, no matter the cost, and would say or do anything to see it through.
As for Zelena situation….uhh Rumple was very hypocritical about that. If all of that was the case, had Regina killed Snow White for murdering Cora, there should not have been a problem besides Henry, who did not want his mother to backslide any further. Thankfully Regina realized that, and settled for watching Snow nearly destroying her own self. But Rumple telling Regina that she couldn’t have everything, and to let vengeance for Cora go….well it’s not that simple when the shoes on the other foot, and he himself couldn’t resist vengeance for Neal, wh0 would NOT have wanted his father to backslide! So really, Rumple played a hand in both killing Regina’s mother, by manipulating Snow, and killing Regina’s sister, by a vengeful manner.
And Rumple killing Zelena, and enacting the time portal which brought Marian back….I think once Regina learns the truth, all of that anger for Emma will be turned towards the very source of where the time portal started, Rumpelstilskin, who is responsible for Marian coming back!
And besides….the whole Zelena situation wouldn’t have happened, if he just said no to training her, but his curiosity killed the cat….in more ways than one. Besides, I doubt if Zelena even tried getting close to her sister, and the potential of love filling both the sister, Rumple would have saw that as a threat to him keeping his monster, and Zelena probably still would have end up dead by Rumple’s hand. But then again, we’ll never know.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
