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What about Wonderlins, that way it can still include some form land, while keeping wonder. It could be perfect. Another question, what do we call Alice supportes, Hatter supporters, White Rabbit supporters, and Red Queen supporters. Red Queen supporters can be called RoyalRubies.
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
@RumplesGirl wrote:
Crack theory idea: Alice, in the books, has a sister. The sister always came across, to me at least, as snobby and mean, but not evil. However in the Onceverse, couldn’t those traits become evil. What if the RQ is Alice’s sister who disappeared a long time ago and became Queen. The RQ wants Cyrus for herself and is willing to do whatever it takes.
Yes, but in the Disney depiction of Alice in Wonderland, the elder sister sincerely loved Alice, unless Adam and Eddy pull a Regina and Snow on us, and it would make Alice The White Queen and the Sister the Red Queen! I can see this happening, good point out RumpleGirl!! But as for Red Queen being Grace’s mother, I can totally see that happening, especially since Regina seemed to show some form of recognition with Grace’s Mother, I thought Regina had a younger sister, up till The Stable Boy where I learned she’s an only child, but Regina has like four uncles, so maybe Grace’s Mother is Regina’s cousin. Who knows, we’ll have to wait and see. If Red Queen is Grace’s Mother, I can’t wait till that reunion between her and Jefferson happen, it might be able to outdo Rumple’s Emmy Needed reunion with Bae/Neal!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Carly Pope could very well be playing Ursula, considering we’re to see Ariel soon, why not bring in Ursula? And for some odd reason, I have a feeling, her and Hook seem to have had a fling once before? If Hook did break Ursula heart, that could turn someone very spiteful….
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Bravo, KFC, Brava! Now, I do have a little to say, on what you and others might think, but I’m going to make this short as possible! Indeed most of us may very well be on different sides of the Once playing field, but we are all Oncers nonetheless, most refuse to see the evil they’re character is doing, not saying you persay, but others like majority of you will see, but defend them nonetheless. We have mad respect for both KFChimera and RumplesGirl, because no matter what argument we threw, they retaliated with one of their own, and vice versa.
And in all complete honesty, the Charmings really aren’t the ones carrying this show, but it’s Regina, Emma, Hook, Rumpelstilskin, and Belle many Oncers watch for. We have our own personal disregard for Snow’s character, and it’s not completely for the Daniel thing, I love Ginny G., but Snow White just seems like she’s hiding something big, maybe it’s the EvilRegal getting the best of us. David, I’ve become lenient toward only because he was truly the first Charming to really give Regina the chance she deserves while Snow and Emma was away.
Now, the rudeness I was referring to, is that yes, Regina had made it her life’s work to destroy them, not necessarily kill them, as seen in 2X20 Evil Queen, she could have ended Snow, but her love for her little girl got the best of her, and I think there is so much to be told about Leopold, because I just “think” their had to be more to this story with Regina wanting to kill him besides wanting to break off her mother’s weird tree curse. He sounded pretty sure that no other child would come after Snow during his speech to her. But back to the rudeness, after this woman just saved you from the jaws of death, I mean taking wave after wave of electricity for you, and we know that it had to be painful and torturous, that you wouldn’t even think to invite her to the celebration. Thank God, Emma asked her, and was at least nice to her, while everyone else greeted her with knives and smart remarks. True they have reason to have paranoia, but that dinner could have went way better without everyone ignoring the one woman who saved their precious Snow yet again.
We don’t know much else on Cora story, Emma, okay I can say have some sort of similarity, Cinderellie, hmm, not too much, I mean she fell in love with the prince, the one thing that could have changed this entire thing was if Cora fallen in love with Prince Henry that night they briefly danced, but can’t worry about what could have, or should have anymore. Now, it’s time to press forward on, and the reason Regina is “emotionally unintelligent” is because this woman has been hurt by everyone she has ever met, so she builds up walls around her heart to not get hurt, and she hides her hurt sometimes with wickedness, but like I said, it’s going to take true love to drive away all that hurt and pain.
And well put RumpleGirl, we applaud you on the last note of that our love of one particular character always skews our arguments, but might I also add it will skew our judgment. Dearies can go on with the excuse of Rumple manipulating and destroying countless lives just to get back to the son he ran off, just as us EvilRegals can use the excuse of Regina murdering, and destroying countless lives just to get vengeance on a little naïve girl, who meant well, but actions cost Regina much. Both characters are far from perfect, but they’re not irredeemable, as both have come from a hard pasts with bad parenting, and thank God Rumple didn’t turn out to be Regina’s dad, because that would be another arguing discussion. But this has been fun. We aren’t even in season 3 yet, and we’re already having heated discussions, because more bad deeds are going to come from Regina and Rumple, while hopefully more good deeds come out of them. The common interest is Henry, but how to go about it, I feel Regina, Rumple, and Hook might team up considering their the three reforming baddies, and do it the way they know best, by whatever means necessary, while the Charmings will follow the normal code of Honor. An interesting Season 3 is ahead, so let’s stop all this arguing, and get back on the common goal of writing letters to our favorite actors, making youtube videos, merging pictures, writing fanfic, rewatching season 1 and 2, or whatever else my fellow Oncers do during summer hiatus. Now I ask you what’s the next subject at hand?"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Keb, I do so thank you for your politeness, true indeed, I did not mean to offend any of you, I didn’t even plan on commenting on this continuous charade of who’s more wicked, but I also wanted to set the record straight, being that even though Regina has many flaws, some created by Rumple, others by Cora, it’s not right to simply exploit all of her wrongdoing like so many, when people like Rumple, did just as much, or more evil, or when Snow killed Cora, and “accidently” told Regina’s secret, I’m personally waiting on a sincere apology for that mishap in Season 3, David and Emma, okay with me, and Henry just became okay. And they are family, all trying to find their happy ending. But always remember, just because we haven’t seen it, doesn’t mean it’s not there.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
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Oh dear did we strike a nerve with the Stilskin Dearies, well no offense, but some of you just aren’t listening well to the politeness of my former argument, and dear God, how can you love somebody who is downright wicked? Now in the real world, cowardice is your fault, but thank God the Once Characters weren’t born in the real world because everyone would be in prison for the common crime of murder. But, woo, I don’t want to dwell too deep, but again let me clarify, the show is Adam and Eddy’s, and true I believe it’s a tad bit unfair how Rumpelstilskin was climbing the latter so high, was Regina was spiraling down.
And the fact that Rumpelstilskin, the one who manipulated all of this, and believe me, I’m not making assumptions, look at Rumple’s history, now sounds to me, he would not be sitting around spinning golg, but manipulating, and destroying lives of innocent people so he can get back the son he let go of for powerm, at least Regina was attempting to deal with the Charmings rudeness (Excluding Emma), just for the sake of Henry. Now, TRUE in fact, I have simply no idea why David treated Regina the way he did when he was almost friends with her, before Snow and Emma returned. He allowed Henry to see her, and spend time with her. So much could have been avoided had Emma looked through Regina’s memories instead of a dog, and not lashed out at her the way that she did! But shoulda, coulda, woulda, too late, what’s done is done.
I do believe that Blue Fairy should have helped Regina, with our without her calling, because she came swiftly to Pinocchio without him calling, compared to a girl who was getting abused physically and mentally on a daily basis.
And back on Cora, I will say this one last time, Cora had a very hard upbringing, and seems to me, her father wasn’t that much a father, but a drunk. Cora appareantly always had to fend for herself, while getting humiliated for being the Miller’s Daughter. Cora desired power so she can make a stand for herself, and to bring down the ones who kept her down so long, especially when you’re like 27, and having an 18 year old trip you, and getting away with it just because she’s a princess. Now, did Eva deserve what she got, she might have, they story needs to be explored some more, and it’s in perfect nature of humanity to wish harm on those who did you wrong, so we cannot blame her for those wicked thoughts. Cora fell deeply in love with Rumple, but then a choice has to be made, either I can stay here, be princess with power and money, where my future children can be happy, or go with the man I truly love, but risk always being hunted down, killed for calling off the wedding, and my child be in danger constantly. What would be your choice, her’s was rip my heart out, suck it up, and go for the wedding. And if you want someone to blame for breaking Rumple’s blackened heart, then blame King Xavier for putting those thoughts in Cora’s head.
I will repeat this, Regina is no coward, and she’s not a fool. She knew Cora would never accept her love for Daniel, and she most definetly wasn’t scared to be Queen, she wanted to be free! And even Snow knew that nobody would ever love Regina no more, which she stated in 1×07 Heart Is A Lonely Hunter, so what else to do, run away and have nothing, or stay and be Queen! And again, Regina stared death in the face and laughed! So she is no coward!"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
-When you know every single one of your favorite character’s lines.
-Talk and walk like your favorite character
-Try to dress like your favorite character.
-Whenever you see thunderstorm clouds, you think it’s the dark curse.
-Whenever you see a lot of mist, you think magic is coming.
-Explain to everyone the Once version of the fairy tale characters.
-Can never look at another Disney movie the same."If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Look, to all Charmings, Swans, Stilskins, and my Fellow Regals, I can never fault any of you for thinking the way you do about certain characters, it’s the show’s fault, I know it sounds illogical as hell, but it’s the truth, it’s the show, Adam and Eddy seem to have been beating down on Regina, trying to show how wicked she is, and also Rumple, they beat down on him a little, but Regina’s been through a lot this past season, both in fairytale land to Storybrooke, from Daniel situation, Cora situation, which let me say my dears, that Cora truly loved Regina in the end, and for those who say Regina tried to kill her all this time, let me clarify something, Cora never apologized, and expressed her love to Regina like she did in 2×11 The Outsider, so take that into consideration, Regina expressed clearly to Cora why she did when she thought she was dead in the coffin, so I will admit Cora’s fault for installing that into Regina, her words nearly came back to haunt her in the end, and correction, it’s 75% Snow’s fault why Cora died, and 25% Rumples.
Now as for the blame on Blue Fairy, dears, come on, despite the show hasn’t shown, every child has called upon BF at least once, and she didn’t answer Regina, but she might have been scared of Cora, and I repeat Regina has made some very terrible choices, some Regals approve, others Regals don’t, but she’s not the only one. And c’mon, of course Rumple couldn’t bring Daniel back, I was referring to Whale, had Rumple allowed Whale to bring Daniel, like he did Gerhardt, it could have worked, and it shows in 2×05 The Doctor, it worked, but the wrong heart filled with darkness caused Daniel a lot of pain.
And on the note of Regina being a coward, dears, let me set this straight, Regina Mills, The Evil Queen is never, and will never be a coward like Rumple was. Regina has faced death more times on this show than anyone else, and stood with her head held high, and dignity intact waiting for the end. Regina has no fear of death, and if you can look death in the face, mock it, and smile, then too me, you’re the bravest of them all. True Regina is far more vicious, but look who her mother was, and look who her teacher was, a combination of the two will make you wildly vicious.
And us Evil Regals have come to the conclusion, it’s going to take a man to drive out all the hurt and pain Regina’s been through, and she has suffered like no one else, and the only person who could probably even relate to her is Rumple, because he’s suffered.
And no matter what anyone says about our Queen, Regina may crack at times, but she will never be broken. Queen Regina is the strongest woman on the show, besides Emma, who hopefully now they can team up to save THEIR son."If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Oh my goodness, must we go through this yet again! Every character on this show is not perfect, but really if you ask me, it all leads back to the Blue Fairy who’s the wickedest of them all, and under her is Rumpelstilskin, under him is Cora, and under her is Regina, who is the least wicked.
The reason I say this, is because if the Blue Fairy had minded her own business, and not help send Bae to another world, then Rumple wouldn’t have manipulated countless lives (Yes, he manipulated, killed, destroyed for over three centuries, way more than Regina, count that in the record).
We have no idea how Cora’s life could have been, Rumple more than likely manipulated it for her family to be poor, so he could seek her, hence when he told Regina: “There’s a lot of history between me and your family, past and future.” Cora could have been filthy rich had Rumple not meddled into her family’s business, and there’s proof he’s stolen a family’s wealth before, wanting to bankrupt King George. Cora could have been rich, still married Henry, probably truly fell in love with him, and loved Regina, who could have married Daniel, but that was not the case, due to Rumple’s meddling.
Cora, having ripped her heart out, in all honesty, cannot be blamed for the murders she committed. It’s exactly when people are under hypnosis, they don’t know what they did till they wake up. Yeah, she ripped it out herself, but remember, she was just a girl who was hopelessly devoted to Rumple, just like so many of you here, who wish to name all Regina’s wrongdoings, but give limited on Rumples. The centuries of murdering and lying just to get to this point, even though we haven’t seen, people, we know he did it!!! He was the Dark One! I love Rumple as much as the next person, but we must tell the truth! Cora was redeemed when Regina placed her heart back, because that’s when love entered her again, which is why her heart was not black as coal, because she was still pure in heart.
Now onto my favorite character Regina, yes she’s made mistakes, but who hasn’t. At least, she’s working hard to redeem herself! Let’s go to the very beginning, Regina was the most pure hearted person ever shown on the show, even more pure than Snow, because Snow started out selfish in the beginning. Regina fell in love with childhood friend Daniel, stable boy. Then Cora (without her heart), put in motion a series of events, which led to Snow being rescued, and we know the story. Now, true indeed Snow did tell the secret, but it was on “good” intentions, still questioning on that, so even though Cora pulled the trigger in killing Daniel, Snow loaded the gun by telling her the secret. It’s just like when you’re dating the bad boy, and your baby sister squeals on you, getting you grounded, same scenario. Snow holds 50% of the blame, and Cora holds the other 50%. Regina took a downward spiral, being surrounded by the people who hurt and betrayed her, no one to turn to, except, Rumpel, who took those moments of misery, and pain, to install darkness and hate, and especially when RUMPLE, whale, and Hatter tricked Regina with the Daniel incident, when he could have brought Daniel back, and Regina could have been finally happy, but they took that from her, thus creating the Evil Queen finally. Yes, Regina did destroy lives, killed ONE village, and carried on about a decade of wickedness, compared to Rumples over THREE Centuries, c’mon people. Not to mention, she did not kill David when she could have, because I believe she saw a similar situation, Snow falling for shepherd turned prince, like she fell for stable boy Daniel. She didn’t even want to kill Snow, like she could have on numerous occasions, because ever since 2×20 Evil Queen, she couldn’t do it, so she’d rather make her suffer than kill her, because somewhere Regina still loves Snow, and Snow has proven she still loves Regina. Now as for the curse, Rumple created it, he needed to make a monster out of Regina, so she can cast it, by granting Snow and David that immune curse, which they will never receive again, because he doesn’t need their help anymore. Now as for Henry Sr., who seemed to be a worthless father who didn’t stand up for Cora, I would have been satisfied with seeing him die to Cora by defending Regina, rather than standing on the side lines. So killing him should have been easy. Now through the curse, Regina made sure everyone was satisfied, with good jobs, earnest living, a fresh take on life, because everybody wasn’t pampered princess like Snow, she took away both good and bad memories, some overlapped the other, and granted new lives, fresh starts, like Ruby said in 2×11, despite why Regina did it, she actually blessed them with a chance to start fresh in a new world, with technology and indoor plumbing, even Granny said cooking here is better, so Regina actually instead of cursing them, she blessed them. She separated Owen because again, she was desperate for love, and saw that Owen wanted to stay, and decided to remove the problem, but she saw her mistake, and had to kill Kurt who witnessed everything. Now, she was a true mother to Henry, and will always be his FIRST mother, and true she teamed up with Cora, but what choice did she really have, because Cora would have went through with her plans anyway. But she teamed up with Cora, after the fact that the Charmings made her a pariah in her own town, and they realized their mistake a moment too late, and Snow added flames to the fire when she told her that “Emma doesn’t have to run nothing by you.” I would have teamed up with Cora after that, and lets not forget she had to kill Daniel herself, and save Emma and Snow from the well. Let’s not forget the fact Snow is 100% responsible for killing Cora! Imagine had she just gave Cora’s heart back, Cora wouldn’t care about power, because in those last seconds she was redeemed, and truly loved her daughter. Regina would have enacted the self destruct, only after she had nothing else in Storybrooke, but her son, but no, she was willing to sacrifice her life for her son, and to make up for the mistakes she’s made. In that moment, she wasn’t the Evil Queen, she was just The Queen, who was determined not to let her family perish. David hit a good spot with her, when he told her that they were still family.
So in conclusion of this very long note, I say if you’re going to tell either character’s tragic tale, please give them some honor, and get it correct. But as far as who’s the more evil, I really don’t feel like getting in the midst of war with all of you Dearies, but as dedicated Evil Regals, we must defend our Queen. We can go on for days till Season 3 on page 14 on who’s more evil, but I just want everyone to take into account, Regina’s near 40 years (reign as Evil Queen, 12 in Enchanted Forest, 28 in Storybrooke), and Rumples 300+ years (reign as Dark One, 300+ in Enchanted Forest and Storybrooke). Let the numbers speak for themselves, but if you really want to place the most hate and evil on, it’s the Blue Fairy! Have a great day!"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
@obisgirl wrote:
So the Evil Queen would need to get her revenge against Snow a different way and most likely, Emma would have grown up a princess. But in typical Emma fashion, she probably would have hated parts of it.
Technically, not so much dear, because if Bae had stayed then Regina never would have become the Evil Queen, because Cora wouldn’t have become so wicked due to having to rip out her heart to be with Rumple, because he never would have taught her magic, he’d a spun the gold, and left. Then, Regina could marry Daniel, and Cora and Henry Sr. would be happy, and I don’t think Snow would have met Charming, because it was Regina who sent her on the run which led up to meeting Charming, so no Emma would have been born. Unless of course, she met him while he was a shepherd, then that could work, and you’re right Emma would more than likely dislike being called milady, and bowing, curtseying, and waltzing.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
