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Even if Sean doesn’t film on April 1st and 2nd doesn’t mean he’s being written off, either. They film the scenes out of order, and those few scenes simply may not involve him. They film what, maybe only 2-3 scenes per day?
That’s what I was thinking. Sean himself wraps earlier than someone like Emma or Regina.
Well he did favorite this tweet…
But we’ll see….if he does leave, I wish him the best of luck in future, better endeavors.
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I think the big deal with the Lily Egg is that it crosses some sort of understandable line. You said “good guys make mistakes” and absolutely they do. But where’s the line between understandable mistake and unforgivable error? I just think there’s something wrong when in order to give the villains sympathy you have to tear down the people who are the definitive heroes of the show. But you’re right that it was also just a really horribly plotted storyline that made Snowing look more like villains but also like bumbling fools (putting darkness into a dragon strikes you as a good idea…?)
Right, it was done to tear down the heroes in order to make the villains look better by comparison, but all it did was serve to undermine the show’s originally heroic couple and the message about goodness, hope, and true love.
I think what they wanted to set up for Snowing was an impossible choice: like would you sacrifice someone else’s child if it would give yours a chance? Essentially, something that would pit one’s core principles against one’s deep seated instinct to do everything to protect one’s kid. But it didn’t work — the muddled talk about “potential for darkness,” rather than a more concrete, visceral threat just made Snow and Charming come across as privileged jerks, literally taking advantage of someone they described as ‘not even human’ (or something like that) to slightly bend luck in Emma’s favor. It was just over the top, and made Snow seem like the spoiled brat she used to be.
Snow and Charming have faced some impossible decisions before, but usually it showed them making sacrificial decisions. The pilot showed them putting their newborn daughter into a wardrobe. That may seem like a horrible parenting decision, but they really had no other choice. It may even have been a selfless choice: they did it to give Emma her best chance, as Henry explained, and in order to make sure Emma broke the curse. Emma said that at least they would’ve been together had her parents not put her in the wardrobe, but that view is false. Regina’s guards either would surely have killed baby Emma at worse, and at best, Emma would have been cursed along with her parents. There’s no way Regina would’ve allowed Snow to remember having a child, and Emma’s being cursed would have meant there would have been no savior. So, either she’d have been killed or stuck as a perpetual infant for all eternity. By contrast, the writers choosing to have Snow and Charming exorcise their unborn daughter by putting her potential for darkness into an innocent is incredibly selfish (not to mention incredibly stupid as @RG pointed out). Did they really stop and think that through? How does putting evil into a dangerous creature like a dragon-hybrid make any sense? *head desk*
I never saw Snow White really as the innocent good girl you guys have, not even really in Season 1. I’ve been telling you guys something was fishy about Miss Sandra Dee, but noooo….Lol! As for David, I think like @PriceofMagic said, he sort of just follows along with whatever Snow White says, he has no mind of his own apart from his spouse! David is basically crawling while carrying Snow White on his back, that’s their relationship.
While I do agree they were thoroughly character assassinated, I don’t think Adam and Eddy had to do too much to ruin the self-righteous, self preserving, secret telling Charmings.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
SEASON 2
Favorite Episode: Manhattan 2×14
Geez…this is too hard! But I’ve got to say Manhattan…this episode was just the best out of the entire season. From Regina and Cora working as the mother daughter duo to Emma, Rumple, and Henry finding Neal leading up to that huge confrontation scene! Manhattan was just full of fun, heartbreak, surprises, and magical delight…..not to mention that creepy seer who warned Rumple of his future.
Favorite Introduced Character: Neal
From the moment we got a glimpse of him in Broken, something about him was just so intriguing, it just made me keep wondering about him. And then when we finally met him in Tallahassee, he was such a charming dork I couldn’t help but love him and his actor was simply hilarious off set. Then I started shipping SwanFire and we saw how great he was with Henry when he met him, and I was just sold from then on out.
Favorite Moment of the Season: Too many to count
OOooohhhh…there were so many, I can’t just pick one. Two of my favorites was that scene between Regina and Henry where she lets him go to give him his best chance in 2×02, and that confrontation scene between Regina and Snow White in 2×17 where she basically reads Snow White for what she really was….but my ultimate, number one favorite scene has to be in 2×22 when we see Regina preparing to sacrifice her life to save the very people she cursed, and Henry is just there telling his mother how much he loves her because he finally realizes that although his mother was a villain, she loved him more than anything else….one of the most touching scenes in all of OUAT.
Bonus Question: How About Most Heart Wrenching Moment?
To put it simply I have two….the moment when Regina had to kill Daniel herself….THAT WAS TOO MUCH FOR MY HEART TO TAKE! They teased us of the prospect of her getting her one true love back, and then had her kill him to set him free…I knew then to not trust Adam and Eddy completely because they were truly capable of anything. And then when Cora finally got her heart back, and looked at Regina with the love she craved since birth, only for her to die in her daughter’s arms telling her that she would’ve been enough.
Season Regards:
– My initial reaction was that this is one of the best scenes written on OUAT, I can’t remember who wrote the episode Manhattan, but I do remember being wildly impressed with how it was handled. From Rumple reuniting with Baelfire, to Baelfire standing up for Emma, to Baelfire discovering Henry was his son all at one time….just wow!
– The original impression I had of Hook was someone who if written right, I could grow to like. However, everyone on the forums know my feelings on Hook, so no need in delving off too far into this. I was actually hoping to like Hook in the beginning, he was a character that had quite the potential for the arc we were getting, unfortunately it did not fall through.
– Dr. Whale being Frankenstein was not the least bit surprising to me…more than likely because we had already pieced that together. LOL! Yeah…I really Don’t care for Whale that much…again you guys probably already know why. But his backstory was interesting, I’ll give him that.
– Surprisingly, I didn’t mind the sudden flow 2B had, it did pretty good. But I do think Home Office was supposed to have been something else besides Neverland, I don’t know why, but I just can’t imagine Peter Pan calling his operation Home Office. There must have been a switch of plot at the last second, I vaguely recall Adam and Eddy discussing how they suddenly got permission to do Neverland, and something else along those lines.
– Favorite promo for Season 2 has to be either The Witch Is Back or 2×20 where ABC dedicated the promo to the Evil Regals…those two were just brilliant.
Overall Regards:
Season 2 was a wild fun ride for both OUAT and us….we discovered quite a lot about Emma, Regina, Snow, Charming, and Rumplestilskin. I certainly remember getting teary eyed about this season more than any other season of OUAT, mostly because there were a lot of blows dealt to Regina, who took them like a champ. Overall, Season 2 was a pretty great season.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Didn’t Emma spend some time in Phoenix at some point or am I imagining that?
when she as arrested, the prison was in Phoenix, Henry was born in phoenix.
Yeah, this is why I think this is an Emma Centric episode….telling us about her brief time in prison or something.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
What about most shocking moment? It could be a good shock, a bad shock, so long as it’s something that made you gasp…. I think mine is Regina killing Graham. I did not expect Regina to have her all those hearts in a vault nor did I expect that she could crush hearts and kill people. The fact that Graham dies seconds after he remembers who he is and in Emma’s arms….so tragically sad. I remember gasping.
Most shocking moment for me was Rumplestilskin killing Cinderella’s fairy god mother….like that was bibbidi bobbidi boo lady, I’m still surprised Disney even let them do that. Coming second was probably finding out there was once an eighth dwarf, Stealthy.
If we never had flashbacks, I almost wonder if I would have believed any of it. That might be an interesting experiment: if you had the same show, but no flashbacks, just present day. Would you believe?
It would have been a completely different show, and I think we needed the flashbacks in order to give us all of these backstories. I’ll admit the concept of playing around with “Is the curse real or not?” is intriguing, nonetheless. I think I would have believed, though, because I couldn’t help but think that was the show’s intention. Besides, Storybrooke is still a strange town.
Well we’ll always have the theory that this is all a dream in Henry’s head and that he’ll wake up at the end of the series finale.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I wonder if they’re leaving the Underworld this episode then. Bring back the big names to “cross over” or “finish their business” before the main cast leave.
Or if like Cruella, bring them back from the other side. Though mostly this will probably be minor characters who we never have to see again, like how they brought Tinkerbelle and the Lost Boys back from Neverland.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Nine times out of ten it’s a locator spell to find Hook….like how David used the hat to find Jefferson.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I’ve gotta start back going to the Character Discussion threads…I’ve missed two analysis!
Here’s a Rumple tribute though!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I feel like we are overthinking this a bit. If I was in a relationship, and my gf liked me better with a beard, I would likely do it for her. In fact, my friend has done this recently. I think she just wants to make Hook happy and she knows what he likes. It was her reaching out to him and letting him know she cares what he thinks. I don’t think she’s going to change everything all of a sudden. Just this one time, she dressed up a bit.
I don’t think I’m over analyzing things. I’m not saying it’s always wrong to do nice things for the person you’re in a relationship with, but I don’t think think a person should change so much that she starts to lose her original identity either. It’s not the dress that is the problem (though it is ugly). The pink dress is merely an external representation of Emma’s core character changing since she’s been in a relationship with Hook. Yet, changing excessively for a person never works. Emma’s dress shows how being in a relationship with Hook has caused her to become much more traditional, softer, demure (i.e. “feminine”)–which wouldn’t be as big an issue if she’d actually been depicted that way all along. The problem is, however, that is just not how Emma was depicted for the first 3 seasons. It’s not progressive; it’s regressive. See the images below:
Emma Swan season 2 promotional photos Emma Swan was never depicted as a girly girl in the first first two seasons. In fact, she was a modern-day princess who was always depicted as being more of a tomboy who was more comfortable wearing leather jackets and jeans than high-heeled shoes and a dress. In fact, her red leather jacket is her savior power symbol. The writers used to understand this about her, and she was marketed this way: she always took more after her father than her mother, as depicted in the S2 photos of Emma in which she’s wearing her father’s armor, wielding her father’s sword while ignoring her mother’s frilly dresses. The few times we’ve really seen her dress up (excluding her trips to the Enchanted Forest/Camelot), she was wearing short, edgy, modern dresses, which seems more in keeping with her more masculine sensibiliities. But Emma in a pale pink satin prom dress from the 1950s just makes her look like Greece’s Sandra Dee — whom Emma Swan certainly is not. I find Emma changing for Hook to be very ironic. Emma told Henry in 5×5 that “changing so someone likes you never works.” She then said she liked Henry’s dad because he was always himself. But then Emma proceeded to not be herself with Hook on the boat when she changed her clothes to get him to like her again. I don’t think that Emma is being true to herself when she’s with Hook, which is what I think that pink dress really symbolizes and why Emma and Hook just don’t work together, on so so many levels.It just truly goes to show how much the writers have reversed the Emma Swan we knew….
Since it seems I’ve missed the Emma Swan analysis…I’ll catch the next one. But I’m gonna leave this here as tribute to the character.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
