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Aaaaand that’s confirmation that Barbara is gonna be back. I am excited to see Zelena and Cora. That’s a great and meaty opportunity.
The Mills Women…Together At Last!!! 5×19 has the opportunity to either be my favorite episode of Season 5 or worst.
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I don’t want them to have met before. I just want to see their childhood experiences paralleled with one another. I can’t take any more mind changes, memory erasures, none of that. And HOW? Could they have met anyway? Zelena was in Oz.
Zelena is coming to terms with her magic so maybe she has a little “Let it go” moment and accidently conjures a magic tornado that brings Regina to Oz. If they really wanna keep with tradition, they’d have Regina somehow accidently kill a Wicked Witch of the East, and let Zelena be the one to try and help her new friend get out of Oz. Of course Cora comes along and wipes away memory. Like @RumplesGirl said…this is too golden of an opportunity for Adam and Eddy to pass up. If they could squeeze Hook reuniting with his father in those split seconds between 2×09 and 5×11, I don’t put anything past them. Not to mention, this would be the quickest route for Zelena and Regina to cast aside their differences, and make amends. Especially if Dorothy is on her way to kill Zelena, it’d be nice to see these sisters work together to survive a threat, thus bringing their relationship closer.
I thought all witches were alive in s3b, how is that fits , that young Regina killed one of them, when later they were all alive? Also with all crossing realms that exists, they can simply say that zelena grew up in Oz, but in her pre teen she went to other realm, with her father, and there she meet Regina , if they going that way. Even that shows that Cora and zelena can’t never make peace, bc means if they go that stupid route, that Cora saw that her other daughter was alive and unhappy and still didn’t cared about her, at least at zelena eyes, since she is all, Cora preferred Regina. This can be simply flashbacks of them arguing how they past lifes were, without them meeting at all, but yeah, they don’t care about timelines, so most likely they will go with the no sense way.
Well we saw that there was a Good Witch of the East in 3B, but to correct that would easily to say that the previous Witch of the East was wicked who accidently got killed when Zelena accidently brought Regina to Oz. through a magic tornado. It’d be a nice tie in with Regina’s quote: “Somewhere Over The Rainbow” if it turned out she was kind of the original Dorothy.
And as for Cora and Zelena, that can be solved because like Rumpelstilskin told Cora, he wanted specifically her first born daughter. So Cora knowing that Zelena was in danger decided that the best thing for her daughter was to remain in Oz where Rumple would never find her, which would somewhat correct the initial problem of her having to give Zelena up to give herself her best chance, if the second time she gave Zelena up was to give Zelena her best chance by protecting her from the man who wanted to turn her into a monster.
Plus it would sort of fit in with what Rumple told Cora in that letter he sent her: “Never thought I’d find your find born daughter did you?”
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I don’t want them to have met before. I just want to see their childhood experiences paralleled with one another. I can’t take any more mind changes, memory erasures, none of that. And HOW? Could they have met anyway? Zelena was in Oz.
Zelena is coming to terms with her magic so maybe she has a little “Let it go” moment and accidently conjures a magic tornado that brings Regina to Oz. If they really wanna keep with tradition, they’d have Regina somehow accidently kill a Wicked Witch of the East, and let Zelena be the one to try and help her new friend get out of Oz. Of course Cora comes along and wipes away memory.
Like @RumplesGirl said…this is too golden of an opportunity for Adam and Eddy to pass up. If they could squeeze Hook reuniting with his father in those split seconds between 2×09 and 5×11, I don’t put anything past them.
Not to mention, this would be the quickest route for Zelena and Regina to cast aside their differences, and make amends. Especially if Dorothy is on her way to kill Zelena, it’d be nice to see these sisters work together to survive a threat, thus bringing their relationship closer.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Yes. And this is what we mean when we talk about how Emma isn’t a strong woman anymore. It’s not saying that having a boyfriend means losing your “strong woman” characteristic. It’s that your entire being and story center around him. That without him you cannot be more than what you already are–and of course, what you are is fragile, lonely, and wounded in some way.
OUAT in a nutshell:
This gif made me laugh/cry. This past half season was supposed to be about Emma and her struggle to overcome the darkness — not Hook’s! Moreover, Merlin, arguably the only really good guy (other than Charming) who happened to be black, got murdered by the 18th-century white guy. Yep. Way to be forward-thinking and representative.God bless this gif and post….
And speaking of Merlin…you guys, Elliot Knight sings too!
https://twitter.com/itselliotknight/status/689242115981721603
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
So Emma isn’t lonely because everyone needs a community, it’s because she has Walls™ around her soft and vulnerable ego, which our dashing rogue must break through in order to rescue the damsel from the fortress of her own making,
Yes. And this is what we mean when we talk about how Emma isn’t a strong woman anymore. It’s not saying that having a boyfriend means losing your “strong woman” characteristic. It’s that your entire being and story center around him. That without him you cannot be more than what you already are–and of course, what you are is fragile, lonely, and wounded in some way.
Sweet Oz, this!
I think at the end of the day, we all wonder….had it not been for Emma Swan, what could Hook contribute to the storyline had he not been her so called “true love”…what is his purpose besides being the love interest?
To show that even Adam and Eddy had no idea, they took what should have been Emma’s solo storyline and gave it to Hook at the last second, showing that in order to give him some form of relevance besides love interest, they have to steal their original main character’s plots and give it to him. And they did it in such an icky way, I couldn’t help but wince from episodes nine through eleven. I still can’t wrap my head around the fact he felt no Dark One symptoms that entire time!
Don’t get me wrong, I felt the same way about Robin Hood. Had he not been Regina’s soul mate, what could he contribute to the storyline otherwise than being the love interest? And once again…they did it in such an icky way, having him impregnate Zelena to now have to be the father to a child that he had conceived out of the most vile way possible. So now although he still has a storyline besides being Regina’s soul mate, it’s so icky that we squirm while watching it.
Another example of Adam and Eddy trying to make Hook relevant at the expense of other characters are Snowing….the ENTIRE summer, they hyped Snow White and David to be at the frontlines in saving their daughter. “I will not lose my daughter to darkness.” Sorry to break it to you Ginny sweetie, but ABC & the show runners had you and Josh running around in circles, complaining and whining the entire trip in Camelot, and the one second you two had where you had cornered Arthur was snatched away because of some magic dust and then you were back to doing nothing to save Emma from being the Dark One. Every scene in Camelot seemed to be either CaptainSwan or SwanQueen baiting.
I guess my main frustration with Hook besides him being the most probable reason Neal was really killed off, is that I no longer see any purpose for him besides being Emma’s “true love”. And geez luis Adam and Eddy, if you’re gonna shove CaptainSwan down our throats, at least give us a sedative by making Hook both relevant and likable.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
When it comes to the Mills Women….the Casting Department is always on point!
Seen at age 10, Regina is described as neglected and lonely, with zero interest in her mother’s royal duties. Twelve-year-old Zelena meanwhile is coming to terms with the magical ability her father despises so much.
Barbara Hershey — who returns as Cora in the winter premiere (airing March 6) — likely will appear in the episode as the girls’ shared mother.
Yeah, I’ve got the feeling Regina is going to land in Oz somehow and cross paths with Zelena who accidently magicks a tornado that brings Regina to Oz. And of course Cora has a hand in her daughters not remembering one another.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
*walks into forum* …….*looks around here*….. Well…..hi everyone. Every doing well? Seems a little tense in here… I’ll uh…I’ll just leave you guys to it then…
Just do what I’m trying to do @TheWatcher….get a glass of juice and try to stay out of it.
To lighten the mood, here’s a gif of Betty White dabbing! #TheLastGoldenGirl #94GoingStrong
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Is that a more or less fair assessment?
Yup. A and E don’t like criticism. They don’t like being confronted with the knowledge that there are swaths of people who are genuinely unhappy and, more to the point, disturbed by their show. And people who don’t claim these things are “true fans” and A and E respond to them instead of any thoughtful but also respectful conversation. And by contrast the people who are disturb and want to have these kind of frank conversations are haters, bitter, judgmental, and need to either stop watching or just go with the ride. In a way, it’s understandable. No one wants to be told that they are coming across as racist/misogynistic/homophobic/ageist, ect. It’s an uncomfortable thing to hear and our natural reaction is to balk at that. But A and E don’t even stop to hear the problems; to get the other perspective. There’s a great example of Arrow on the CW. There was a lot of dissent in the fandom during S3 because of Ray (the A.T.O.M) and how he was pursuing Felicity. The show runner heard some of this and tweeted something about how “that {meaning Ray’s stalking and possessive qualities} were how romantic comedies go.” As you can imagine, this did not go over well with many in the fandom. So, realizing this, the showrunner told the fans to explain it to him. Someone wrote a very long explanation of *why* Ray made them so uncomfortable. I don’t know if he saw it or if it informed anything for Arrow through the rest of S3 or even into Legends of Tomorrow. But at least he was willing to listen.
THIS!
But what I loved more than the chuckle was what he had to say: “I worry that people might fail to write good books because they think these warnings are real rules. There are no real rules. Tell good stories and tell them well and don’t leave the reader feeling cheated at the end.”
Lol, that picture is possibly the best thing ever. But isn’t that the problem with OUAT? That a portion of the audience is actually very vocally content with the kinds of stories the show is telling, as long as their ship sails into the sunset? And are actively and aggressively trying to silence dissent, criticism, or alternative interpretations along the lines of “this is misogyny/racism/sexism/classism” etc? In other words, it sounds like part of the fandom is attempting to enforce their own very narrow experience of OUAT as the only normal and legitimate one. And Kistowitz are encouraging that part of the fandom, essentially giving them the authority to act as a thought police, thus outsourcing the labor of actually telling a good story to essentially a group that acts like trolls, and brow beats everyone else into agreement, silence, or “safe places” (or, really, minority enclaves) like this forum? Is that a more or less fair assessment?
AND THIS!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Filming at Zelena house?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BBbfzsYt5Dz/
And then the munchkins…
1 of the many things I LUV about directing.That moment when you show up on set & get to work w/ munchkins. @OnceABC pic.twitter.com/0G85FUevq3
— Eriq La Salle (@EriqLaSalle23) February 6, 2016
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Unfortunately, rape happens in our culture. It is a horrible horrible thing. In the case with Regina, we were supposed to hate her. So her treatment and manipulation of Graham made us despise her.
Then go ask Adam what was going on with Regina and Graham. Regina is never brought to bear for her crimes against Graham. it’s never brought up, she is never punished for her 28 year long rape.
The mere fact her soul mate was rapped, and got her sister Zelena pregnant…I’m pretty sure we can say that what goes around comes around. Just like when Maleficent cursed an innocent child, hers was stolen away from Snow and Charming, who in turn had Emma was taken from them. Yeah…I’m quite sure karma is the one who pays those back who did wrong.
What Adam and Eddy & the Hook-matized Fans think CaptainSwan looks like…
What CaptainSwan really looks like….
Oh how I wish Emma Swan could have turned into Olivia Pope when Hook was pursuing her…
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
