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So glad that Mitchell confirmed what I’ve been saying: this episode will be split into 2 parts after its initial airing, and will constitute 2 separate episodes.
I do like that she’s an unabashed supporter of Regina as a character and the Robin/Regina relationship.
[adrotate group="5"]Just as an FYI, this episode will most likely be separated – once everything is said and done – into two separate episodes (constituting episodes 8 and 9 of the season), and will most likely be given the designators “Part 1” and “Part 2”.
This is fairly common practice for “feature-length” episodes, and it seems to be fairly set-in-stone that this is what will be happening, particularly given the comments that have been made about its second hour and about the season having been extended by one episode.
Alexandra being dressed in boy’s clothing isn’t a retcon; it’s a continuity error.
As far as the OUaTiaW flashback narrative is concerned vis a vis Will, we know he was caught in the Curse, meaning that he had to have been in the EF at the time it was cast, so it’s not out of the question to believe that he could have come back and been allowed to rejoin the Merry Men at some point prior to it being cast, particularly since we know time functions differently in Wonderland than it does in the EF.
This isn’t the first time we’ve seen adultery explored on the series.
I said this in another thread….the MM and David affair was still bad, but they were actually married in their real lives and living under an evil curse that wiped their memories. Robin has no such excuse.
Fundamentally, adultery is still adultery. From the perspective of the characters (the audience possessing knowledge that they themselves did not), the Mary Margaret/David affair WAS adultery.
I’m not really sure how Snow’s reactions in this episode were inconsistent; she simply screwed up in reacting to Emma’s magical freak-out, and later fully acknowledged it (although she ‘spread the blame’, as it were)
Snow has never been scared of Emma or her powers. She has been worried about who teaches Emma, but never Emma herself.
The thing that is fundamentally different now is that Snow is being fiercely protective (some might say OVERPROTECTIVE) of Neal in an effort to compensate for what happened as a result of Regina’s Curse. She herself admitted that she screwed up, so it’s not as if the writers just had her react the way she did and behaved as if it wasn’t a big deal.
Why you’re taking Ingrid’s assessment of what Rumple wants at face value has me puzzled.
I’m speaking more to the fact that we have absolutely no idea what Rumple wants (which is frustrating) but that what both Ingrid and Rumple have said seems inconsistant (partly) with his character.
I’m not seeing any inconsistencies with Rumple’s character vis a vis this whole situation, primarily because we don’t know enough about what he wants for there to BE any inconsistencies to be seen.
Please elaborate on what you mean.
Emma was a smart cookie and got Elsa out of the room with Elsa started having her buttons pushed by Ingrid. But Emma can’t do the same thing with herself. Ice freezes glass. This is not hard. Break the glass! Get an ice pic. Get something hard and heavy. Ingrid saved her sisters from a kidnapper but it apparently is enough to make her feel incredibly monster like for her entire life.
1) Emma was doing her job as Sheriff; you can’t do your job if you remove yourself from the situation just because somebody’s trying to push your buttons emotionally.
2) It was quicker to go to Rumple than to try and scramble to find something with which to break in to the station.
3) Ingrid’s fear of her own abilities was exaggerated in her own mind. You become so fixated on something that it consumes who you are and you cause your own destruction/unhappiness/misery.
Again, please elaborate on what you mean
There were just some very clunky pieces of dialogue and ideas. “We failed today…”
I don’t see how that’s clunky, but to each their own.
That was so not the point of that scene
Ok, so the point was? It was bad advice. Terrible advice. Will doesn’t know what Robin is going through, no, but on the whole, that’s bad advice. Ruining your life for love? Eek.
The point was that if you value love, it’s worth pursuing even if doing so screws your life up.
How did the episode retcon Will’s storyline? The only new information we got out of his scenes with Robin were that A) he was with the Merry Men longer than “Heart of Stone” had previously led us to believe (which is consistent with the way this show expands its storylines) and B) Marian was with Robin at the time Will knew him. Neither of those new pieces of information retcons anything.
I do believe you are mistaken. Robin was not with (romantically) Marian when we met him OUATinWL, hence Robin’s distrust of magic “for a woman” (say the man who later stole a wand for Marian). Adam tweeted as much back during WL. And Will was with Robin, at most for a few days. That was what WL established, perhaps with more leeway than I’m giving the show, but not enough to hear this story “three dozen times” (even accounting for exaggeration).
Even if they DID retcon certain elements of previous storylines, why is that a bad thing? Creators retcon stuff all the time.
However, before we jump immediately to the conclusion that things have been retconned, there is another possibility to consider, which is that Will came crawling back to the Merry Men at some point after Alice got his heart back for him, at which point Marian would’ve been with Robin and may have convinced Robin to give Will a second chance, but that Will again did something to sour – or at least sever – the relationship prior to the casting of the Curse.
First time participating in one of these threads, and I’m staking claim to the ‘devil’s advocate’ role.
1) Morality in love and romance. Does pixie dust give you permission to cheat? Marian’s love made Robin want to be a better man, more than just a petty thief. Regina’s love makes Robin want to throw away all his honor, his code, his self respect and hurt those he cared about.
This isn’t the first time we’ve seen adultery explored on the series.
2) Inconsistent character writing with Snow White
I’m not really sure how Snow’s reactions in this episode were inconsistent; she simply screwed up in reacting to Emma’s magical freak-out, and later fully acknowledged it (although she ‘spread the blame’, as it were)
3) Rumple. Just…Rumple. World domination, trying to get his son back, trying to make sure he never loses anyone ever again. Which is it? Consistency or not? 4)
Why you’re taking Ingrid’s assessment of what Rumple wants at face value has me puzzled.
4) Illogical choices made by characters
Please elaborate on what you mean.
5)Clunky writing and dialogue
Again, please elaborate on what you mean.
6) Truly terrible life advice like, “true love is worth ruining your life over”
That was so not the point of that scene.
7) Potential retcon of Will Scarlet and his timeline.
How did the episode retcon Will’s storyline? The only new information we got out of his scenes with Robin were that A) he was with the Merry Men longer than “Heart of Stone” had previously led us to believe (which is consistent with the way this show expands its storylines) and B) Marian was with Robin at the time Will knew him. Neither of those new pieces of information retcons anything.
I’d forgotten that Ashley and Sean had a daughter, not a son. It’s looking more likely that they had another baby since we last saw them.
Why does Ashley’s baby only look to be slightly older than Snow White and Aurora’s babies, who’re newborns? Shouldn’t Ashley’s baby be 18 months to 2-years-old by now?
Ashley/Ella’s son looks like he’s around 1 1/2.
That looks and sounds very much like a transcription or journal entry done in runic script by Ingrid. The question is, where did she get the info about Emma’s name and destiny?
