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Oh Gosh….I’m sad for Belle. She is going to have it hard in the upcoming episodes.

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@Elle wrote:

I don’t think August was taking order from the Blue Fairy during the time in Tallahassee, though it does seem familiar. She told Dreamy why he could be with Nova, just as how Pinocchio told Neal he couldn’t be with Emma. Both men loved these two women, and both of them were told to give them up for their own good. And both Nova and Emma never got a say in the matter–the descision was made for them. After the incident, Dreamy became Grumpy and Emma hardened.

Back with Pinocchio and the money, he did take it–the expression, the one of voice, the way he looks at the money, his speech about how he cannot say no to temptation, and his scene with Emma in the forest in The Stranger. He has said so before that he was not built that way, not built to say no to temptation. The original tale is similar–Pinocchio lied and gave into temptation. He could not help it.

Hey! I didn’t notice that similarity before. You’re right… about the Blue Fairy and August.

Pinocchio definitely took the money…definitely.

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@Phee wrote:

We really don’t know what Hook does or doesn’t know yet. He’s had about 250 years to research a way to get revenge on Rumple though, and I believe he had to have had contact with other lands during that time – certainly Wonderland if he knows Cora, and he could have maybe still had some sort of information connection to FTL too – because Rumple wasn’t from Neverland, so Hook would need information from outside Neverland to come up with a workable plan. If it’s the case that he could still get info from FTL, it’s entirely possible that he knew that Rumple had a girl, though he wouldn’t know the current state of their relationship in SB.

The basic fact of how to kill the Dark One is to stab him with the dagger. So if Hook’s plan is to kill Rumple, perhaps he’s planning to stab him with the dagger. Perhaps he hopes that he’d then inherit the Dark One power, and would then be able to turn the tables on Rumple by pulling out his true love’s heart right in front of him.

But we don’t know that the dagger works the same in SB. It obviously has SOME power, because Rumple was able to summon the wraith, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it’d transfer the power in the same way if it was used to kill Rumple. I think that if Hook does try that, that something will happen that will result in the Dark One curse being destroyed, so no one will have that power any more, and in trying to destroy Rumple, Hook would inadvertently save his soul.

I’ll be very surprised if Hook doesn’t try to charm Belle. He knows that’d drive Rumple completely crazy, so it’d be far too much fun to resist.

I think that Hook will not know about Belle. I mean, who knew about that at all? Regina and Rumple. Thats it. But I think its possible that hook will reunite with Smee, and Smee will tell him all about Belle.

@A Chipped Cup wrote:

Oh no! If something happens to Belle, I will slip into a coma. This show is going to kill me.

But I do agree that Hook will try to target Belle in some manner. Either by an attempted murder, or by getting close to her and driving Rumpel nuts. I prefer the ladder just because I don’t want anything bad to happen to Belle, but there’s a good chance that the former will take place as well. But lucky for Belle, Emilie has a season long contract from ABC, so she won’t be going anywhere anytime soon.

@Phee wrote:

I’ll be very surprised if Hook doesn’t try to charm Belle. He knows that’d drive Rumple completely crazy, so it’d be far too much fun to resist.

I have a problem with all this ‘he is going to win her over..’ stuff. I mean, I think it works great with Hooks character…I’d expect something like that from him. But how long would he be able to stay like that with Rumple watching? Wouldn’t that cause an immediate face-off between them? It could work if Rumple never knew Hook was there, but then that would defeat the purpose of torturing him with his closeness to Belle. I’m just not sure how that would work…how Hook would have enough time to try and win her over.
What are your answers to this? 🙂 I like discussing… lol

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@Ziera117 wrote:

I don’t think that Hook has much ‘decency’…he is a pirate.

I said this in another topic, but what if Hook orders Rumpel (with his dagger) to kill Belle himself? I’m not saying he would do it, though that would be craaazy epic…but its a cool idea. It would be cool if he like broke his curse with his true love for belle before he killed her.

I don’t know. Maybe a bit of a stretch…but I like the idea. 🙂 I know…I would take a looong break. I would be crying forever. That would be terrible if she died. I don’t think they could do it though…they would have angry mobs going after them.

Let’s be honest, if you’re a moralless, revenge filled killing type and this is something you’re ok with, it’s totally the way to go. It’s the best and most poetic way he could get revenge on rumple, especially if he specifically orders rumple to rip her heart out just like Milah’s. I think if the writers go here he won’t actually go through with it, for any number of reasons. They seem to be writing hook as somewhat likable and relatable, but still evilish, just like Rumple. The important thing with a character like that is to have them toe the line but not cross it. Gold risked Henry’s life when he stole the potion from Emma. If Henry had died the audience wouldn’t have forgiven gold. But since he didn’t, gold can be loved and redeemed, even though his actions were technically morally the same in either scenario. It’s a storytelling thing. So if hook actually made rumple kil Belle, he’d probably cross that line. I bet if this happens something
stops him, like the power of true love or outside help. Or maybe hook will just hear their pleas and relent because he’s a human bein and she’s completely innocent.
This showdown is bound to be pretty epic regardless, and I do think it will feature Belle somehow. Maybe if hook leaves her alone, she’ll just get the chance to rescue her man for a change!

No, they wouldn’t go through with it. I wouldn’t want them to, either. It is horrific. But as you said…very poetic. 🙂 It would be cool for a little bit…maybe even if the Emma/Hook romance comes through, she can persuade him not to do it, and he can choose her over his revenge. Just as long as Belle doesn’t die, I’d be happy with this.
But those are good points. It will be the most Epic scene EVER. 😉

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But if Rumpel saw her die or had to kill her himself, it would break Rumpel….bad. It would break me even more…lol.

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@Beauty & the Beast wrote:

I’m worried about Belle too. I’d like to think that Hook would have enough decency not to kill Belle, but we’ve already seen numerous examples of people taking their revenge out on innocent people. Rumpel killing Milha, Regina going after Snow’s family, ect. So, although I like Hook, I can see him secretly plotting to kill Belle. It would be the perfect act of revenge against Rumpel. Rumpel killed Hook’s true love, so Hook will kill his. Perfect tragic symmetry.

Having said that, I don’t think the writers would actually kill off Belle’s character. She’s too popular and Emilie de Ravin has already signed a season long contract. But if the writers do decide to surprise us with her death, I’m going to take a break from this show. That’s just how upset her death would make me. 😥

And I agree, EvilQueen. Hook probably found out about the dagger while looking for ways to kill Rumpel. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cora told him about it.

I don’t think that Hook has much ‘decency’…he is a pirate.

I said this in another topic, but what if Hook orders Rumpel (with his dagger) to kill Belle himself? I’m not saying he would do it, though that would be craaazy epic…but its a cool idea. It would be cool if he like broke his curse with his true love for belle before he killed her.

I don’t know. Maybe a bit of a stretch…but I like the idea. 🙂 I know…I would take a looong break. I would be crying forever. That would be terrible if she died. I don’t think they could do it though…they would have angry mobs going after them.

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@obisgirl wrote:

I would be worried about Belle’s safety. She is Rumpel’s True Love and Rumpel killed Hook’s TL, so he could definitely go after Belle. and since Rumpel is human in Storybrooke, he is most definitely killable.

though I’m not sure that Hook would know about the dagger.

Me too. But the thing is, do you think he even knows about Belle? I don’t see how he could….but I do see him finding smee, and him telling hook about Belle.

Are you sure he could be killed? Now that there is Magic?

@PriceofMagic wrote:

I don’t think Hook would hurt Belle. Not only would he suffer Rumple’s wrath but he would also have Emma complicating things. Hook has a soft spot for Emma and if he hurt Belle then Emma is not going to stand by and let him continue to be free. Emma may let Hook do what he wants to Rumple because she is angry with Rumple at the moment but she’d never let him hurt an innocent such as Belle.

What Hook might do is get close to Belle and try and steal her away from Rumple or get close to her and let Rumple know how close he has gotten and how easy it would be to hurt Belle (without actually hurting her). Either way would torture Rumple.

But if hook didn’t know about belle, he would already have a way of dealing with Rumpel. Emma also doesn’t know Belle..or that she even exists.

But Hook certainly would find out about belle in time, I’m thinking. Its just too good. 😉 So there. He could kill belle, and he also has a way of killing Rumpel. At least thats what I think…What do you think? 🙂

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We all know Hook is in it for Hook. But it still could mean that Hook has been playing them for this long because of what Cora will give him for it. He must know Cora has the upper hand.

That is an interesting thought…it has also been on my mind. Why would Cora need hook? I somewhat agree with Nightreader…
Any more thoughts?

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@Elle wrote:

One of the points of the tale is that the Beauty is able to show the humanity side of the Beast, to show the good in him. 🙂 While there are a lot of problems with the relationship (trust issues and all, though they are both working on that) it isn’t as bad as it seems. The only time he was horrible to her was when he thought she had betrayed him–he needed a way to find his son, and he knows that Regina wants to be more powerful than him. He does have enemies, and so he assumed that Regina had gotten to Belle and turned her against him. It doesn’t jusitfy what he did–he should have talked to her!

And Belle herself was never truly angered–she was disappointed in him, and I think she always knew that he loved her. 🙂 And so she sees him, and remembers how he had embraced her in the shop, and realized that he finally admitted to himself that he loves her, and I think that showed her how much he regretted what he had done, and that was what helped her to forgive him and admit her love.

Are they like Snow White and Prince Charming? No Thos.e two have complete trust, faith, and understanding of one another. They have gone through much for each other–fighting for one another, and talking. But the two of them could be on their way there.

Oh, Elle….You are soo right. I couldn’t have said it better myself. I just had to sigh with happiness at the fact that someone thinks the same way as I do. 🙂 Thank you for your post.

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@frumpybutsupersmart wrote:

I don’t think Hook is on one side or the other – remember, he is a pirate, so he’ll temporarily go with whoever will do the most for him. Not good or evil, just entirely self-serving and dedicated to his revenge. The most important thing to him is finding a way to finally kill Rumpelstiltskin and avenge Milah, not picking a side in someone else’s fight.

It’s possible that Hook demanded Cora leave him with the beanstalk-climbing things when she left him at the ruined camp, so he could be sure that she would actually come back for him and not just go off on her own. He’d need a guarantee like that, because he couldn’t risk just being left there on his own with no way out – his priority is to get to Storybrooke, and if Cora left with the ability to get the compass, he’d never get there, because she wouldn’t exactly come back and give him a lift if there wasn’t anything in it for her.

I know, tis all true. But I have a feeling Cora has more to offer him than Emma does.

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@TheTrickster wrote:

I want him to keep magic because it is not just a curse.

As I understand it, magic is also something he likes, something he loves. He started in it because of the curse, but… it is like someone finding a field of study to which s/he is going to feel engaged for his-her entire live by mistake or because s/he couldn’t afford the payment of the studies s/he originally wanted (Something that I experienced myself).
Maybe it is just that I’m influenced by the way in which the wizards I loved in my childhood were truly engaged with magic -I’m thinking about Raistlin Majere, for instance, or even the Merlin of the legend-, but I think that it is not fair to force someone to choose between the person he loves and his passion-work-whatever you want.
So, I would prefer a ‘happy ending’ with a non cursed Rumplestiltskin -which means he gets his former ‘good-guy’ personality, and his previous ideas of use magic for the shake of people- keeping magic. Not as strong-powerful magic, but magic.
But I understand that this is not the way the show treats magic, so, I won’t cry so much when he: a.- leaves magic b.- dies c.- something-else-that-implies-take.that-sort-of-decition. 😆

Oh, sure! I was a bit messing in my writing, sorry.

What I meant was that if the dagger doesn’t work, then Mr. Gold can be killed as any of us. And that if he can’t, then that means that the dagger works. Because I can not figure out how could be possible that the dagger doesn’t work, but his owner remains immortal :S :S
-I’m open to any idea 😉 –

That really is an interesting way to look at it. Thank you for that new way to look at things. 🙂

Yeah, I see that… but what if it couldn’t order him around, but still kill him? I don’t know..

@Gigi wrote:

I think if he gets rid of dark magic, he still can use magic. Remember what Regina told Henry in We are both? She said she can teaches him magic. So if Rumple quit being the dark one, he still has a huge knowledge of magic over the centuries and can eventually uses it since magic is now in our world 🙂

I agree with this, but…and maybe its just me…but I don’t want Rumpel to continue practicing magic. I don’t think he likes it. I think that it reminds him that he is a coward, and can’t do things without it. I want him to be free of it…saved from it if you will. Its addictive, like Daniel was saying, its like a drug. I think that Rumpel should start getting more sure of himself as himself without magic. He should be sure of his own strength to do things he needs to do. Belle is bringing this out in him…and I love it. 🙂 I can’t wait to see more of this down the road.

@TheTrickster wrote:

oh, that would be my happy ending *_*

Speaking about that -completely offtopic- magic has been brought just to StoryBrooke, or to the entire world?
I guess to the entire world, since Rumplestiltskin planed go out of Storybrooke to find Baelfire, but I’m not sure about it; the purple smoke scenes were onlu in SB….

Hmmm…thats an interesting question. Also a hard one!

@Gigi wrote:

I think when the purple smoke spread through SB, all the ex-magic wielders can now use magic again, which mean if they get out of SB, they could still use it. Note that the purple smoke affected magic-wielders only. So other normal people in the entire can’t (don’t know how to) use magic but they might learn it from the magic wielders, if these people can get out of SB of course.

You’re right. Cause when Rumpel was telling belle about his quest to find bey, she asked him why he brought magic there, and he said cause he was still a coward. He knows (maps he had in we are both as evidence) that Bey is somewhere outside storybrook.. and if he brought magic since he was still a coward that would mean that he wanted to take it with him. So I think the whole world, but youre right as in non magic people aren’t really effected by this change.

Good thinking guys. 🙂

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