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@wackyoncer wrote:

I see what you mean, RumplesGirl, and you’re right, that may be the way they take it. To play devil’s advocate, though….Rumple and Gold are incredibly different, yet Belle still loves him. Lacy isn’t a different person, in my opinion (although it’s hard to say until we see exactly what she’s like)…she’s another side of Belle. And to me it makes sense that she would have a wilder side as her Storybrooke self….she spent so long being controlled by others and she is such a controlled, honorable person herself. I think it makes sense that there’s a more risque person in there that perhaps she’s been afraid to let out.

I really can’t wait for this episode. RC is so great when he’s all angst-y and anyone who’s seen EDR’s crazy Claire from Lost knows she can rock a wild side. Just hope she doesn’t make herself a squirrel baby!

I agree with you, RG. I think Rumple will see it that way…and I also think Rumple will try to respect her. Lacey will make it hard on him. I wanted to say though that in the interview with Eddie and Adam they said “Lacey” is the opposite of Belle. I’m pretty sure all this ‘racey lacey’ doesn’t sound like Belle at all anyway, and its even a stretch for it to be a different side of her. But of course…I don’t know for sure…and I’m so excited for the episode! 😉 😆 😛

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@PriceofMagic wrote:

I don’t think Rumple and Cora were in love with each other but were in lust with each other. When Cora said she wasn’t going with Rumple, Rumple seemed angry rather than heartbroken. When Regina told him Belle killed herself, Rumple was really struggling to hold himself together until Regina had left. When Cora told him she was going to stay and marry Henry rather than leave with Rumple, Rumple immediately threatened to take Cora’s baby until Cora reminded him he’d changed the contract.

Cora may have been the first person Rumple had feelings for in a long time but they don’t compare to his feelings for Belle.

Cora’s feeling for Rumple may be based on the fact that he basically saved her life. She appreciates him for it.

Normally, I would agree with you and I still really want to…and I do about some things, but in the official podcast, they said they did love each other (not just lust after one another.) I still don’t want to believe it- and I wrote my explanation above ^ but yeah 😛

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@rumplegoldfan wrote:

Did Cora and Rumple love each other? Yes – but only as far as they were capable of understanding love within the context of the relationship they had created with each other.

I am a serious Rumple lover but this episode was a bit much on dark and creepy scale for me and I normally love it when Rumple is in all his leather glory. But I think that was the point. I think this episode was meant to make us feel uncomfortable and say “Something isn’t right here.”

Their entire relationship was based upon NOTHING but revenge and furthering their own agendas. It started out as a business relationship that turned into a teacher/student relationship based upon darkness, hate, and evil. They were attracted to the darkness they recognized in one another and that became the sole basis of the lust/love relationship they shared. Rumple was a secluded outcast who was feared because of his power and Cora found him desirable because she wanted that kind of power. Rumple found Cora desirable because she was the first person who challenged him – but in a dark way, to teach her to be like him. He felt like he would no longer have to be alone. Sound familiar? Belle did something very similar, but in a very different way. She challenged him too and he no longer felt alone, but she (literally) brought light into his palace, whereas Cora joined him in his darkness.

With that said I think that Rumple was truly hurt and actually horrified that Cora had ripped her own heart out. I think he recognized that he didn’t love her the way he loved Mila, but he had to have felt some kind of pay back for ripping out Mila’s heart. He ripped out the heart of the woman he loved because she chose another man over him and now another woman chose to rip her own heart out in order to chose power over loving him – and HE was the one who taught her to do it!!

I think, then, the point of the phone call with Belle wasn’t to give us Rumbelle shippers a warm toasty moment before Gold died but to make a very clear point. Gold said that Belle is the only person who made him ever want to go back to being a better version of himself. Since we all know his history that has to mean that she is the only person who has ever made him want to give up being the Dark One. In other words, he may have loved Cora but not in a way that made him want to be a better man. In fact, he had fun being evil with her. He also told Belle that she is a person who always sees the good in people and if it isn’t there, she creates it. I took this to mean that he was acknowledging what she had always tried to get him to believe, that there was still good in him (what he has had difficulty believing) but that also she has MADE him be a better man. And since he told her that she “really, really loved” him – I think he was saying that she has made him a better man and has made him WANT to be a better man simply because he is completely confident that she loves him – and he was completely confident that she loved him when she knew exactly who he was (when he said she loved an “ugly man” I don’t think he was talking about his physical appearance). He was completely confident that Belle loved him as Rumplestiltskin, yet Cora ripped her own heart out and he still didn’t know if she ever really loved him. That’s the difference between true love and the “love” that Rumple and Cora had. You don’t ever have to question true love. True love doesn’t have it’s own agenda.

Interesting…. I think Cora and Rumple did love each other, but in a way that was “What can you give me?” You’re right- they were furthering their own agendas and thinking selfishly. This wasn’t true love…as when Cora figured she may actually love this man, she ripped her own heart out to choose power. I mean, when you would ask….How far would you go to get what you want? Thats how far she went-to rip out her own heart. And Rumple (you’re right again) taught her that. Also, (this is from the official podcast), They said that she had lots of ambition and potential to be someone great, she just was born into the wrong family and wasn’t given the chance to prove it.
She needed that acceptance because people overlooked her- and her identity was in recognition. She felt underestimated, and needed to prove them all wrong and put them in their places. That in the end was more important to her than Rumple.

On the other hand- Belle and Rumple of course, love each other…but with TRUE love. Now this instead of ‘What can I take’ was ‘What can I give?’ This relationship is other-centered. Thats why it is different, and thats why it is true. Rumple loves Belle so much that it becomes about how he can serve her and love her and build her up and give to her(even when he is DYING 🙂 ). That is whats beautiful. Belle taught this love to Rumple in a way in ‘Skin Deep’… Like you said, she brought the light literally to his life.

Cora didn’t make Rumple want to be better…she just created darkness. Another thing they said in the official podcast was that they truly understood each other…they were a lot a like, almost completely the same.

Anyways… yeah 😉

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Welcome, Rapunzel is a ginger. 🙂 Can’t wait to get some conversations going with you! Theories and debates….so much fun. I love the spoilers too 😀

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Thats what I love about Rumbelle!
I was scared about the Cora/Rumple past for a little bit, but then when I saw the episode I was fine…because of this-

Cora and Rumple: It was about what one could get out of the other. It was well, completely about getting. No real love..only a selfish

Belle and Rumple: It was about giving. Rumple’s phone call to her? He was more concerned about her than he was himself, and he way DYING. He was looking for ways he could build her up, looking for ways that he could give to her instead of take. I loove that. And Belle created that in him. Or nurtured it, whichever you prefer. He only became that way because Belle loved him unconditionally first…and basically saved him. 🙂 😀 Yeah….Thats why he was like, “You make me want to go back….back, to the best version of me. And thats never happened before.”

This is why I ship Rumbelle.

Anyway…sorry if this has been said before…but it gets me every time.

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Their kiss will blow freaking Corumple outta the freaking water. *grumble grumble grumble* Cora will become this stupid distant memory *grumble* Spark will fly, fire works will go off, flags will wave. *grumble*

YES. Rumbelle will WIN. Corumple is DEAD!!!!!! I can’t wait for Lacey. Why is it so faaaaarrrr away!?!? She had better remember in that episode…I really hope they don’t drag out this memory thing. its TOO sad. I can’t take it for much longer.

I think at the end of the season 2, all us rumbellers need to treat ourselves to icecream and cake…and cookies and pie and good things to reward ourselves for going through all the rumbelle pain. Then we will all be at least patched up by the time season 3 comes round, and they decide to lock belle away in some other basement, and other terrible things….

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I know there was a debate here…but I just want to add things. Give me grace as I didn’t finish reading what you guys have said! 😕 😉 🙂

I would just like to say that I do think Cora started to feel for Rumple, and she wanted power more. So in order to destroy her distraction, she ripped out her heart. I think Rumple was just playing her, but did lust after her as she was beautiful. And he thought maybe he could have this extra pleasure while playing her for her child who would be key in getting his son back.

I’m sorry…I just thought this topic was interesting and wanted to just say something quickly. 😯 😉

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I completely think its Tiger Lily. Haha…I know in my mind! 😉

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@RumplesGirl wrote:

Ok ok ok I see your point and it’s VERY valid. So I take it back, universe. Instead: Rumbelle engagement!

That would be awesome!!! I would still like to see a Rumbelle wedding in season 3 though..haha just my little rumbelle hope. But him asking her to marry him…that would be the sweetest moment ever. I think I might uh….die of happiness?

Its going to be tough for Charming…keeping check on his own feelings as well as trying to help Snow deal with hers. He has a big task ahead of him.

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I would really like to see some Belle/Baelfire stuffs! I want Bae to like her haha. That would be a cute relationship. Also, I want Rumple and Belle to get married. 🙂 IT would be good to get some Rumbelle happiness, and its about time if you ask me. I don’t want them to be ‘in a relationship’ forever… like, well, that sounded weird. You know what I mean! 😆

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