Missing it…. WHAT EVIDENCE ????

Totally with you nonnie- What Im ticked off with is why in the oats August is getting angry at Emma for not believing in the curse when its entirely his flippn fault that she doesnt!!!!- who was supposed to protect her & raise her to know her destiny — oh let me see August was, but no instead he stuffed off & left Emma, FTL, everyone in FTL & his father to rot — nice call there gep – NOT.

I mean the guy only came back to help Emma cause he’s going to die if he doesnt- hardly a change in heart there – I now Cant Stand him! he makes go GRRRRR 👿 He hasnt even come clean or offered an apology to what he’s done to not only Emma but everyone in SB! Personally if I was in Emma’s shoes when I did find out it’d be burning torches & lynch mob time – he’d burn real easy now too lol :p

Anyway Emma has next to zero reason to really believe in FTL & the curse aside from 1 coincidence in a story book to real life events. I also think that if she thinks August is adding stuff to the book (which he said he did) she’ll be way less inclined to believe it is based on real events now as he could just be playing with her- at least that’s my take anyway- I know if it was me FTL would be screwed cause I dont know what it would take for me to believe- but it’d have to be MAJOR – maybe she has to turn to considering the possibility if Henry is in a coma or something- but honestly I’d be looking for a medical cure if that was the case- not a story book or lying, selfish, jerk.

@slurpeez108 wrote:

I don’t think August is as much angry as he is desperate. He is desperate for Emma to believe. His life now depends on her belief in fairy-tales. He is turning back into a puppet, which is the mysterious illness he is dying from. I think he did just come clean to Emma, and he can’t very well come clean to people in SB until they’re freed from the curse. No one remembers anything about FTL except for Mr. Gold and Regina, and they’re the ones who implemented it! Perhaps if Jefferson returns, he’ll strike up a friendship with August. I actually like August, because he is trying to make amends by staying in SB to “fix” things. Also, I think as a little boy, Pinocchio was given too much responsibility. Also, Jiminy Cricket warned Geppetto that he was setting a poor example by sending him through the wardrobe when the blue fairy said not to do so.

There have been some reasons for Emma to believe, although none that can’t be rationalized away. Firstly, when Emma decided to stay, the clock started moving again. Secondly, when she put on the sheriff badge, the earth shook from the violence of the mine collapse. Thirdly, she saw how oddly Graham was behaving right before he died. None of those events on its own is enough reason to believe, but when not just one person, but four people tell her about fairy-tales, she must have some reason to question what is going on. We’ve seen Henry, Graham, Jefferson, and now August all telling her what she refuses to believe. After Jefferson disappeared through a hat, she has to be wondering how he survived falling from the second or third story window unscathed. After that event, we saw her request to hold onto Henry’s book for a while when she saw the resemblance between Paige in SB and her pictures as Grace in Henry’s book. I think that Emma will start to put together the pieces after something more personal starts to happen. Perhaps MM and David will remember first and then try and convince her she is their child. Either Emma thinks everyone is crazy from drinking something in the water, or she lets her denial go and starts to accept it.

He didnt come clean – he didnt tell Emma what he did – we saw a flash back yes, but he never said Im sorry I left you, we are all in this position because I didnt follow through with the promise I made & now you are paying for it – what can I do? How can I make you believe? All he’s done is get frustrated she’s not believing his story & a book full of pictures for crying out loud- how is that her fault.
I dont see him making amends – he’s in SB because he doesnt want to die or he’d still be on some Island living the good life by his own words – he was PISSED off when he said that to Emma – like it was her fault that she went to SB & started his regression in action – still grade A jerk to me.
Dont get me started on Gep – he’s worse than Pinno – but saying a 7yr old who knows he cant do bad things without risking becoming wood again, doesnt know not to break his promise is weak- he could have refused to go- he didnt, he chose to go & protect Emma, but he didnt knowing what was going to happen to everyone else by choosing to break that promise….again selfish & he hasnt apologized for it either.

Emma only had Henry’s comment about the clock not moving- was she supposed to believe the clock not ticking = time standing still, if thats the case our small town has been stuck in time for the last 16yrs as its been stuck on 9:45 for that long lol
Earth quakes happen- there wasnt one the next day when she put it on, so nope on that one (remember we see others points of view she doesnt)
Yep he was behaving oddly right before he died & people have been known to see things/experience things as the energy & chemicals in their bodies go haywire right before they kick the bucket – also he didnt go to Emma about it, he went to MM & then Henry – Emma probably doesnt know squat about that other than he was going through a mid-life crisis (he never told her he believed he was a fairy tale character, only that he didnt have a heart). All together not much if anything = curse to me.
1 Henry telling her = nothing as Archie told her it was Henry’s way of making sense of & expressing complex emotions. 2 Graham never said anything to her about believing in fairy tale land- that was MM & Henry he spoke to. 3. Jefferson was acting like a loony tune – like you’d believe a nut job holding you at gun point raving on about making a magic hat 😆 . 4 August, well thats simple he’s given her zero evidence to believe in any of it (& made her think he’s insane by showing her a normal leg bahaha 😉 😥 ), if anything he’s made things worse as Emma doesnt want to be god for FTL, she has next to zero evidence to say that what August is saying & a book her kid has is real – just that they want her to believe it’s real & that she has EVERYONES welfare resting on her shoulders to boot – different if it was like, well what have you got to lose in believing in it – but this is like believe & then go to war & maybe get killed or get loved ones killed & ITS ALL ON YOU KID! Real smooth move there August – not!.

Jefferson could have landed in a bush lol – Id be like who cares as long as he doesnt have a gun or want me to make a magic hat lol :p You can also jump from 2nd (or 2 & 1/2 anyways) story & be totally fine, as one of my little brothers did & was- he tried to be like superman & fly… out our house’s 2 & 1/2 story high window, with nothing but a plastic shopping bag on his shoulders (he put his arms through the holes/handles & jumped) … he was fine, got up, shook himself off (with my mother FREAKING out lol) & wanted to try again lol …not one of his more brilliant ideas – but there you go lol 🙂

I do agree that others around her have to start to believe so she doesnt feel she’s alone in it tho – maybe if Gold told her the curse was real lol :p or Regina let slip something she’d be ohhhhh Kayyyyy so this is a little to weird not to be true lol 😉
But sorry we just dont see August in the same light – Im a very just & logical person due to circumstance (wasnt your typical kid growing up as had to help raise all 3 of my younger siblings from the tender age of 6yrs old on- so have a very different view of right & wrong I guess from taking that responsibility on at a young age & is probably why I wont cut August any slack there- it’s not impossible & he was down right selfish then hasnt owned up or admitted to it- not out right anyway & that I cant stand 👿 )

Also things Henry has said cant happen have happened – stranger has come into SB from the outside, time is not standing still that Emma can see, its a small town with the usual comings & goings & a side from having a total cow for a mayor who has it in for her best friend its a pretty normal town other wise lol

I posted this under the August/Pinocchio character analysis, but I’ll also add it here. I think August is a very complex character who struggles with an inner desire to do the right thing. At the age of seven, with the help of Jiminy Cricket, he was able to do good. However, he hasn’t had anyone to guide him in our world. Like Emma, he has grown up without a mother or a father. He was influenced by peers who were up to no good. Yet, he has an essentially sincere core part of his being, much like Rumpel, which desires to find love. August wants to make up for not fulfilling the promise to his father in a way which parallels Rumpel’s desire to make good on his deal with Bae.

Since August IS Pinocchio, I think that resolves a lot of lingering questions about his character. He does lie, even though he wishes he could be good. However, he came to our wold as a 7-year-old real boy but without a conscience or a father to raise him correctly to be good. He left baby Emma and followed the crowd, because that is what Pinocchio did in the original fairy-tale. Since he escaped the effects of the curse originally, he has spent the last 28 years as a human seeking pleasure, like the puppet Pinocchio did on Pleasure Island. Also, Jiminy said that when Geppetto chose not to heed the Blue Fairy’s warning and not tell Snow White the truth, he was teaching Pinocchio a bad lesson. In our world, Pinocchio/August has lied a lot.

As a grown man, August has returned since he is in fact turning back into wood. He said it happened at the exact moment Emma decided to stay in SB. That was the trigger that started magic in SB. August is reverting back into a puppet form because that is his true original substance. It is comparable to how Jiminy, who was originally a man before being magically turned into a cricket in FTL, is now a man again in SB. August was simply a puppet before the Blue Fairy’s enchantment made him a real boy after he showed himself to be honest, brave, and unselfish. In our world, however, August/Pinocchio hasn’t had good modeling and has been lazy, selfish, and a liar. He is suffering the consequences now that Emma has brought magic to SB.

@Midnight Dreary wrote:

Even though I WANT Emma to believe, I wouldn’t believe that BS at all if I were her. 😆

WORD 😆 Though part of me would WANT to, coz let’s face it, it’s kinda cool. LOL But Emma’s very logical, and we heard her say in this ep she doesn’t have time for faith. So looking at the Storybrooke happenings with her mentality, yeah, I don’t see why she’d be inclined to believe any of it.

@Surayya wrote:

He didnt come clean – he didnt tell Emma what he did – we saw a flash back yes, but he never said Im sorry I left you, we are all in this position because I didnt follow through with the promise I made & now you are paying for it – what can I do? How can I make you believe? All he’s done is get frustrated she’s not believing his story & a book full of pictures for crying out loud- how is that her fault.

I believe his anger and frustration isn’t completely aimed at Emma, he’s also angry with himself for not having done what he was supposed to. He hadn’t realised the full implications of not keeping his promise until now. But now the realisation that his stuff up has doomed everyone in Storybrooke, including himself, has hit him square in the face, and he’s desperate and angry at himself for failing more than anything. We saw this in the scene with Marco at the end, where August confessed he wasn’t the good man his father had hoped he’d become.

@Surayya wrote:

But sorry we just dont see August in the same light – Im a very just & logical person due to circumstance (wasnt your typical kid growing up as had to help raise all 3 of my younger siblings from the tender age of 6yrs old on- so have a very different view of right & wrong I guess from taking that responsibility on at a young age & is probably why I wont cut August any slack there- it’s not impossible & he was down right selfish then hasnt owned up or admitted to it- not out right anyway & that I cant stand )

That’s fair enough that your own personal experience will colour your view of the character. But don’t forget that Pinocchio had all this additional knowledge of FTL, the curse, and Emma’s destiny which now rested on his 7 year old shoulders, AS WELL AS having to figure out this whole new world and how to survive in it all on his own, without his father or friends, who for all he knew had died when the curse hit. It’s not like he could go to anyone and explain all those burdens he was carrying, he was completely alone. Frankly, all things considered, I think it says alot about the character that he turned out as well as he did. He’s not a junkie or a criminal, he found his way in the world, looked after himself, seems kind hearted (IMO), and is now trying to make up for his one big mistake.

@slurpeez108 wrote:

I think August is a very complex character who struggles with an inner desire to do the right thing.

Anytime you write something about August, I’m just gonna reply with, “what slurpeez said,” OK, coz you totally seem to be in my head regarding the character right now. 🙂