May 1, 2012 at 1:17 am #144942
And it is easy to say that you would save your child over the fate of the world, but i don’t think it is that simple either. And Pinocchio could have been fine after Emma came back and saved everyone. We don’t know. I don’t think it is simple to say what anyone would do in this situation. It may scare you to death to think about losing your child, but when weighed against the fate of the world we can only hope that people might do the right thing. And really i think Geppetto caused great harm to both Pinocchio and Emma by sending them through. It is not that simple, but it is also not easy to say that sending Pinocchio through was the right thing to do either.May 1, 2012 at 1:18 am #144944nonnieParticipant
So No I wouldnt blame him for running away IF it was JUST his own well being at stake BUT as above, he’d been rewarded a real body & life for acting selflessly & bravely ALREADY- he knew more than anyone the difference between right & wrong – he choose to go into the wardrobe, knowing he’d be going to a new place & having to protect Emma- he could have refused to leave his Dad, he knew even then Gep was wrong (he said BUT BF said…) but he still came through AFTER making the promise to keep Emma safe & help her grow up to break the curse.
How many 7yr olds would refuse a life jacket to save their parents – so Pinno is hardly your average 7yr old kid & in the past 7yr olds where like 11 &12yr olds now-days with the responsibilities they were given – think of girls married off at 14-16 yrs as they are considered young women (we’ve added 4-6yrs to what is considered appropriate there, so add 4-6yrs to Pinno age & you get his real time age understandings).
He got told off by one (Very Creepy yes) guy & he decides to bail- not good enough IMO excuse.
There are many adults who do not act honorable… Being brave, honest, trustworthy is a lesson you learn over and over again. SOME people never learn it. At 7 years old children do not have the understanding, education to fulfill logical thought. They are often swayed by there emotions and are subject to peer pressure.
Pinocchio obligation ended when he got Emma under the care of adults…. he had his own life to live. He was under no obligation to continue to stay with her. Adults had no business of putting that kind of burden on a 7 year old.
.May 1, 2012 at 1:28 am #144950
I disagree that kids are incapable of logical thought or understanding. Kids are people too. Smart people.May 1, 2012 at 5:14 am #144995ms. pixieParticipant
I disagree that kids are incapable of logical thought or understanding. Kids are people too. Smart people.
First, I always defend the idea that children are people able to think – I hate those silly ‘the-fluffy-rabbit-like-carrots’ kind of books that totally underestimate kids – BUT I’ll defend Pinnochio in this one. Not that I don’t blame him at all, of course leaving Emma was his fault, and I do agree he could at least have tried to find her later, but at the age of seven kids can tell right from wrong, but they CAN’T see how far their actions can go. Pin knew leaving Emma was wrong, he struggled a little to go (I personally think that scene was a little too short… they could’ve shown us more of his life there), but he couldn’t picture how wrong, how he was putting everyone life’s in danger, etc.
After that, well, he could have searched her, but… I guess it’s easy for us to see where things went wrong and what could have been done in someone else’s life, but life is not that simple.
(a very silly example: I could tell you, in a very practical way, all the reasons why I should work out more and eat less junky food, but do I do that? well, no. why not? well… 😀 )
I’m not saying he has to be easily forgiven and petted and all, but if he is really sorry for failed at everyone and his father and is not only worried about him (I felt he was going to that direction on this week episode), then I think he deserves a redemption – a good one. ^ ^*May 1, 2012 at 9:11 am #145013PheeParticipant
Ms. Pixie, I love your post! My thoughts exactly. 🙂May 1, 2012 at 11:51 am #145038
I do feel that Pinocchio should be given some leeway as a child, even though he is responsible for his actions, he probably was not aware of the long term consequences to leaving Emma. And he seemed to be afraid which is all reasonable. I don’t think it is because kids are stupid though and don’t understand logic. I agree that the scene with Emma and Pinocchio was too short when he left. It just seemed forced. He went from wanting to stay with Emma to leaving just like that and i know we are supposed to take into consideration that he was a follower in the past and just ran off before, but it still seemed quick.
I just think they need to do more with the character before Emma forgives him and they will have to do more with Geppetto as well.May 1, 2012 at 12:17 pm #145042nonnieParticipant
NEVER SAID kids are stupid… they are learning…. it takes life and guidance to help them learn… Pionocchio had neither so he made bad choices which he might not realize the consequence of til much later in life… too late to go back and undo but not to late to fix it.
.May 1, 2012 at 12:30 pm #145045
Kids don’t know everything, but they are still rational smart human beings. Some adults spend their whole lives making bad choices and everyone makes wrong choices now and again. I don’t think it has anything to do with being a kid. I think people discount children too much.May 4, 2012 at 12:26 am #145393surayyaParticipant
Yeah see to me Pinno & your average 7yr old child are 2 way different kettle of fish, Its not even worth comparing them in my eyes anymore- after all how many of today’s kids will be turned into an inanimate object (aka DEAD) if they are not honest, brave & unselfish???? Pinno is NOT a normal 7yr old – he has a major understanding of right from wrong, brave & cowardly, selfish & unselfish or he would have been turned into wood in FTL! He was expected to behave as an adult over here should- NOT a child.May 4, 2012 at 4:03 am #145427AliasscapeParticipant
What’s interesting to me is that August is trying to get Emma to forget about her son in favor of thinking about saving an entire world. And Gepetto wanted to risk an entire world in favor of saving his son. And both times we all seem to be crying, the fate of the world is on you, save the world and put your kid second.
I also think there’s a misconception that anything a parent does for their child is automatically self-less. But people do selfish things for their own children ALL the time. I give you every single Black Friday after Thanksgiving when people are mowing down their fellow man to be sure their kid gets a talking Elmo or an X-Box for Christmas. It’s not life or death, until they trample someone.
Selfless is leaping in front of a bullet or car or train to save your kid. Selfless is handing over a kidney or whatever other organ your child needs yourself. Give up your own seat on the life raft for your kid. Go for it. Because you have the right to sacrifice your own life in favor of your child’s. But how much right do you have to sacrifice someone else’s life? Shove someone else in front of a car/bullet/train for your kid? Take someone else’s kidney because your kid desperately needs it? Knock out Joe Blow and throw him overboard so your kid gets a seat on the raft. How not-selfish is it now? You’re just trying to save your kid!
My problem with Gepetto is he was giving his son something that wasn’t his to give. The Blue Fairy was originally trying to make sure the savior would have the guidance and protection of both of her parents, maximizing her chances for survival and future curse-breakage. Saving Emma wasn’t just “Aw, let’s save a cute baby!” It was that Emma was a living breathing antidote/shield/life saving organ/liferaft and Gepetto decided the best plan was to entrust that to a 7 year old. I just can’t get behind that.
As for Emma, yeah she’s barely seen any real magic and some seriously crazy guys and a kid all have the same story. It’s not AS compelling considering that Henry has been telling that story to anyone who would listen. It’s not like he’s been secretly not telling ANYONE he thinks everyone’s a fairy tale character. He talks about it all the time. There’s no reason he couldn’t have been overheard. Regina’s evil but that doesn’t make her a fairy tale character, just a sociopath. Earthquakes and ticking clocks aren’t magical. Jefferson’s disappearance has really been the only thing that can’t be logically explained just yet. But that he just some how ran off too fast for them to see isn’t “impossible”. And yet I think she is more than halfway there because she’s acting too scared to think everyone else just must be crazy.
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