October 21, 2013 at 1:42 pm #217735PriceofMagicParticipant
I still think staying with Rumple was the least worst option Neal could’ve chosen. Neal has some emotional leverage over Rumple, he could’ve used it. Rumple desperately wants to reunite with Bae, it’s obvious if he tries to harm Henry, that reunion would be jeopardised and made non-existant. In effect, Bae would have Rumple on a leash. By leaving Rumple, Bae and Henry are now at the mercy of PP and the Lost Boys.
Rumple could just leave Henry with PP and avoid the prophesy. He doesn’t need to harm Henry himself. In fact Rumple is currently in what could be described as a win/win situation for him. He doesn’t have to do anything and by doing so he avoids the prophesy and Neal can’t blame him for Henry’s demise.
Actually, Rumple has been set up to be the hero of the 11th hour. Like I said, he could do nothing, leave Henry to his fate and avoid the prophesy. However, we know Rumple WILL save Henry which means he will hopefully reunite properly with Bae.[adrotate group="5"]
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixOctober 21, 2013 at 1:43 pm #217736kfchimeraParticipant
I agree with TimeSpacer, that I had hoped for a look more conflicted from Regina rather than smirking satisfaction. Greg did torture her, did kidnap her son, but it came off that Regina felt she’d repaid him by offering him a chance to live rather than kill him the moment she recognized him in SB. That speaks to me about how much further she still has to go. We keep wanting these characters to be through that journey, then we see they aren’t. I feel a lot of Rumple’s conversations with Belle illustrate that perfectly. We keep seeing the end-point and his desire to get there, but we get yanked back to the harsh truth of where his internal conflict continues to boil because it is not time for the Happy Endings yet!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-GlassOctober 21, 2013 at 1:43 pm #217738SlurpeezParticipant
Favorit moments: When Emma and Hook shared a moment about Neal in his cave, when Emma said “home” like she did in “Tallahasse” while thinking of Neal, and when Emma confessed to her parents that she has never stopped loving Neal. And even though it was heart-wrenching to watch, I loved all the angst-filled scenes between Neal and Rumple.
Least-Favorite scenes: That squid gave me the creeps! Also, I have a love/hate relationship with PP in that I love to hate him. So, PP re-capturing Henry and filling his head with lies really bugs me!
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal CassidyOctober 21, 2013 at 1:47 pm #217741RumplesGirlKeymaster
Actually, Rumple has been set up to be the hero of the 11th hour. Like I said, he could do nothing, leave Henry to his fate and avoid the prophesy. However, we know Rumple WILL save Henry which means he will hopefully reunite properly with Bae.
I have NO doubt that Rumple is going to prove himself a hero by the end of the NL arc. I think he’s going to get a lot worse before he gets there though.
That squid gave me the creeps!
Poor sad Leggy"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 21, 2013 at 2:18 pm #217773RumplesGirlKeymaster
From Mr. Carlyle
Truly amazing response to last nights episode! Huge thanks to everyone for all the lovely comments and to our fantastic director David Boyd
— Robert Carlyle (@robertcarlyle_) October 21, 2013"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 21, 2013 at 2:45 pm #217790GaultheriaParticipant
I agree with TimeSpacer, that I had hoped for a look more conflicted from Regina rather than smirking satisfaction. Greg did torture her, did kidnap her son,
I think the important thing from Regina’s point of view is that Greg did those things yesterday.
Gaultheria's fanvids: http://youtube.com/sagethrasherOctober 21, 2013 at 3:40 pm #217802kfchimeraParticipant
That is true, her actions were further in the past. Yet it was yesterday Tamara shot Neal, and there was at least a moment of dismay on Emma’s face to learn that woman who she thought killed Neal was dead. There was no big grin of “She got was coming to her!”. This was not because Emma didn’t care that Neal died, as we saw Emma being upset with Snow and Charming for not just Henry’s being kidnapped, but that Neal died. I’m still working out how Emma attached blame to them for that, but she dropped his name there on the boat. So I feel Regina has a long way to go still in terms of compassion for others, as opposed to constantly justifying her own actions in terms of what others “forced” her to do. I do think she made progress when talking to Tinkerbell though. I just think her smirk hinted there is more work to do.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-GlassOctober 21, 2013 at 9:47 pm #217898Twice Upon A TimeParticipant
All of it every tear filled moment of it
Gasp how could you have any??!
If the last two episodes were about Motherly Love this one was totally father based Neal Rumple Charming even Hook taking on the role of a step fatherDecember 27, 2013 at 6:20 pm #233945elleParticipant
This is probably one of my least favorite episodes of the season.
I enjoyed the performances, particularly from MRJ, Robert Carlyle, and Robbie Kay, butt he episode itself just felt old.
It one again was revisiting Rumple’s old fears of being a coward and everyone leaving him, and while those are reasonable fears, I just cannot help but not take it all that seriously due to the fact that we have seen Rumple revert so much before–that and him trying to kill Henry in 2×22 made me lose a lot of respect for him on the whole.
The main part I did not care for was the flashback scenes with Rumple and Bae–it self like the show was going a bit heavy on the sympathy for Rumple (not as much as they did in season 2 for Regina thankfully). I wasn’t crazy about seeing illusion Belle again–I know she is not real and I knew all along where the illusion was coming from.
The present scenes were more enjoyable–I liked seeing Neal and Bae working together. The scenes where Neal killed the squid was kinda funny in a macabre sense.
A nice episode, but other than the present scenes, it felt like leftovers of other Rumple episodes.
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