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More talking!!! Seriously. I want my Kitchen Table episode, guys.
Frankly, I’m surprised they’re even showing us this little talk. Usually all the important character moments “happen” in between episodes, or so we are supposed to believe.
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Okay…..Let’s just clarify something. The day Rumplestilskin apologizes to Regina and everyone else in town, and Hook follows…I believe Regina should THEN do it. But until that day (which will never happen) comes…I believe she should hold off on the apologies. It would take too long first of all, and I do believe her actions have spoken louder than her words.
Rumple sacrificing his life to kill Pan, redeemed him I believe!
Regina nearly sacrificed her life multiple times to save Storybrooke and the Charmings…so yes…she’s redeemed!
Hook…I’ve really no idea why he’s a villain, but he brought Emma back!
Regina held no remorse for nothing because it did give her Henry, and let’s face it…if it wasn’t for that boy…Storybrooke would be pretty much charcoal right now. Especially since her love for him held her back from agreeing with what Cora would have had planned. However…I think as her heart begins to become lighter, she might realize that she could have done a few things different here and there, but THE PAST IS IN THE PAST!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I’m in the ‘Actions speak louder than words’ camp. I think all of the ‘redeemed/redeemable’ villains have shown they regret some, if not all, of their past. Regina is probably the one who, on the surface, has shown it the least, but look at that last scene from the last episode – she and Snow are together, with their family, laughing. Does Snow really need to hear the words to trust Regina and accept her into the family? Probably not; this is Snow we’re talking about. Does Regina need to say them? It’s a nice idea, but words are not easy for Regina and I’d say the trust that’s formed between the two far outweighs words said.
Just because things are in the past doesn’t mean that there doesn’t need to be some sort of mea culpa from the 3 “villains”
Regina may have been manipulated by forces like Rumple but that doesn’t change the fact that she made choices. She chose to turn around, go back to Leo’s palace, marry him, and learn magic. And when she was offered a way out (perhaps not a great one, but one) she ran. And then she chose to pursue darkness and did do horrible things. She did them.
Past is in the past is great and all but until you lay your sins bear and ask for forgiveness there is no growth. Rumple sacrificed his life to save Bae and Belle but he still owes one heck of an apology to Emma and Snowing.
And if you’re going with the whole “past is in the past” motto then that means that Snow doesn’t owe Regina anything either. It means that Snow shouldn’t apologize for telling a secret or for her part in Cora’s death.
Can’t have it both ways. Either everyone apologizes and tries to move past the hurt or no one apologizes and it’s stagnant.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It’s a nice idea, but words are not easy for Regina and I’d say the trust that’s formed between the two far outweighs words said.
It should be done because it’s hard. Doing the easy thing is taking the simple way out and doesn’t show growth.
I don’t get why it needs to be either or. Why not both?
“I am sorry I cursed everyone one of you and froze you for 28 years. Now let me help you put it right” followed by action.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Okay…I’m sorry you guys. I can’t like this. I’m sorry.
I should like this scene, but I don’t…I can’t even begin to stop rolling my eyes.
I enjoy all of the bonding and crap, but I’m tired of self-depreciating Snow. I have never liked her as a character, but even I can see that she has never deserved the emotional beating she gives herself for Regina.
I’d be fine if it felt more like a character trait of hers, but it doesn’t. It’s gotten to the point where I feel like the show is telling us that Regina does deserve Snows niceness more than Snow deserves Regina’s. There have even been consequences for Snow every time she doesn’t gut herself for Regina’s favor. How many times past and future has Snow’s lack of forgiveness made Regina cry, and feel under appreciated, and go back to being bad (even for a couple eps)? Too freaking many. How many times have they shown that Regina is completely “justified” in not caring about ruining Snow’s life through her actions or otherwise? Too freaking many. I mean, even when Snow kills an obviously evil Cora to save her family, because it hurt Regina Snow must apologize, when for some time now, the murder of her father has been pushed under the rug? As if someone murdering your only remaining parent shortly after you witness your mother’s death, you are supposed to break your back t rehabilitate that person?
At this point, if Regina slapped Snow in the face, and hurt her hand while doing it, Snow would apologize for her face being too hard. It gets me even more because Snow was a kid to Regina, yet she’s still being treated like everything this woman did is her fault.
I’m not saying that Snow should shun Regina. I just think it’d be better if she treated Regina the way she treats Rumpel. It’s the “I accept you, and try to stand by you because you are my family, but you are a bastard, and It’ll take me a minute to like you like that” kind of treatment. It’s realistic, and human for goodness sake.
Or at the very least, just once, I would like her to not take it upon herself to apologize for Regina’s situation. She’s been doing it for the entire show. I’m tired of seeing it, and frankly, this conversation being based on her apology again completely ruins any happiness I would have had at Regina having character growth.
But you know what? Now it doesn’t even feel like Regina’s getting character growth. It just felt like Regina was once again content in having Snow admit that she was “wrong”. It’s the same game over and over again. Town likes me, I’m fine. Town doesn’t like me, I’m going to kill them with my mother. Why do you think they were able to play that fake out of her becoming evil again when everyone thought she’d cast curse no. 2? Because she’s already done it enough to make a fake out!
This is the same thing I felt about Rumpel not growing because Belle was being his conscience too much. So now, I’m putting this onto Regina, as well. I will not consider Regina redeemed or developed in any way in regards to Snow until she decides to take responsibility and maintain her goodness even when Snow and everyone else in the galaxy is saying “I’m not sorry, and I shouldn’t be”.
Sorry guys. I had to rant. This was three seasons of rant sitting on my chest. Sorry.
Self-depreciation is a character trait of Snow. As well as naivety apparently when it comes to trusting random people you’ve never met before such as Zelena. Mean Snow was great when she drank the potion to forget Charming but normal Snow thinks everything is her fault. Even though she had no other choice but to kill Cora, Snow still feels quilt over it because that is what any normal person with a clear conscience would feel over taking a life.
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Keeper of FelixSelf-depreciation is a character trait of Snow. As well as naivety apparently when it comes to trusting random people you’ve never met before such as Zelena. Mean Snow was great when she drank the potion to forget Charming but normal Snow thinks everything is her fault. Even though she had no other choice but to kill Cora, Snow still feels quilt over it because that is what any normal person with a clear conscience would feel over taking a life.
When in doubt, quote Screwball
The One OUAT Essay You Have To Read
According to Screwball the main thesis for the characters of OUAT is that they are constantly reliving their worst experiences. With Snow, this is watching her mother die and knowing that she chose not to sacrifice another life to save Eva.
Because Snow literally had her mother’s life in her hands but chose not to act, Snow feels forever guilty about things other people do toward her. They are somehow all her fault, hence the constant apologizing. Her constant need to throw herself on the pyre, so to speak, is born out of guilt for “letting” her own mother die.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Self-depreciation is a character trait of Snow. As well as naivety apparently when it comes to trusting random people you’ve never met before such as Zelena. Mean Snow was great when she drank the potion to forget Charming but normal Snow thinks everything is her fault. Even though she had no other choice but to kill Cora, Snow still feels quilt over it because that is what any normal person with a clear conscience would feel over taking a life.
But that’s not my issue. My issue is the show making it seem like more than a character trait. It makes it seem like Snow is wrong. As I said above. There are even consequences against Snow when she doesn’t apologize or accommodate Regina. Yes, a normal person would feel terrible, but Snow has consistently done this long before Cora. It’s just exhausting. It’s a character trait if she feels that way. It’s the message of the show if every time she doesn’t feel that way, she gets a slap to the face, and the antagonist is victimized, and then immediately forgiven again as if it’s nothing, while Snow is still left to be looked at like a monster. So, the scene is still ruined for me, and as long as Regina only has a good word to Snow when she’s sorry, it just sucks.
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