September 30, 2014 at 6:37 pm #283873opera13Participant
Depends how good you are at freezing. Maybe she is good enough to feel the shape of the lock with the ice she’s making, and expand it inside to trigger the lock to open?
What bugged me was how the edges of the Storybrook sign froze and the metal letters in the middle did not. Doesn’t metal frost over way quicker than wood?
Favorite moments: Loved the design on the Sorcerer’s hat. Excited to see the plotline about the book as something more than just a throwaway (oh, Character X wrote it). Slightly mixed feelings on the ballroom scene, but overall pleased. Kinda missed her other yellow dress, but this one swooshed nicely.[adrotate group="5"]October 1, 2014 at 2:22 pm #283907
My goodness, some of you have become so cynical. Maybe I’m a Little Miss Sunshine among the fandom, but I loved the episode. It was a little dry just because they were setting up the exposition, but premiere episodes are always that way. I cannot wait for them to really get going. Anna and Elsa were spot on- exactly like the film. Anna’s speech patterns were just perfect. She sounded just like Kristin Bell. Yes, it’s true that with this one they are going from classic stories come to life with nods to the Disney versions to something that is blatantly a Disney film- diverging a bit from the show’s original concept- but you know what? I don’t even care. It’s too fun- I love crossover fanfic! Unlike the other stories, Frozen is not based on an existing classic story. It’s original to Disney, and too new to really get the twisted treatment. (Yes, it is loosely inspired by The Snow Queen, but it has an entirely different plot. It’s not the same story. Unlike- say- The Little Mermaid which changed a lot about the original story but is still recognizable at the core.) The spin will be in how they fill in the gaps that the film left and just watching the Frozen characters interact with our main group.
What I loved about this episode was that we weren’t immediately thrown into another realm or having everyone face a big bad. I enjoy the show the most when we are just seeing them deal with daily life in Storybrooke. Story characters in our world is what drew me to the show in the first place- I eat that stuff up! So now we have characters fearing an unknown who is actually going to turn out to be a friend this time, and both Rumple and Regina are going to start intriguing quests of discovery. I’m so proud of Regina for backpedaling on her plan to kill Marian. She saw herself as she once was and didn’t like it- we have character growth! Yay! I do wonder how Regina came to the conclusion that finding who wrote the book is the solution though- that’s a bit random! I always thought the book was based on what really happened- not that the book *created* what happened. This will be a very interesting arc! Discovery makes for better stories than battles, IMO.
I thought Rumple’s speech at Neal’s grave was lovely, and did you catch Snow’s comment that maybe they should have named the baby Baelfire? Teehee. Poor Rumple is still a magic addict, but he means well. Yes, what he did to Belle leaves a bad taste, but I refuse to give up on them- I don’t think we will see a true happy ending for them until the end of the series. I thought the dance was beautiful, and how nice to see them have some peace before the storm we know is coming. Adam and Eddy have stated that this season is about not giving up on those you love.October 1, 2014 at 2:34 pm #283908
My goodness, some of you have become so cynical.
I really don’t think that’s fair. We’re allowed to be critical and say that we saw flaws–no matter what they were–without being told that we’re overly cynical or that we need to just let it go. TV is a piece of text that needs to be critically analyzed. If you thought it was fun and great, then yay! I’m happy for you. But that doesn’t mean the show is perfect or without flaws. And we should be allowed to point those out.
and did you catch Snow’s comment that maybe they should have named the baby Baelfire? Teehee.
IMO, that was the single worst line in the entire episode. It came out of nowhere, had no set up and no follow through. It was the writers saying, “oh…people didn’t like that we named the baby Neal, well nuts to you guys!” That had nothing to do with the scene or anything going on. It was totally outside the episode and was the writers interjection. And it was absolutely unnecessary."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 1, 2014 at 2:49 pm #283911
I’m allowed to have the opinion that people on here are being cynical. That’s my opinion. No where did I say you are not allowed to be critical. That’s putting word in my mouth. You’re allowed your opinion, and I’m allowed to have mine. I wasn’t being mean about it. I wasn’t demanding you stop. I was just stating how I feel. This is why I don’t post here nearly as often as I used to. I feel as if any time I disagree with a good chunk of the group, people take what I’m saying as an attack.October 1, 2014 at 2:59 pm #283912
I’m allowed to have the opinion that people on here are being cynical. That’s my opinion. No where did I say you are not allowed to be critical. That’s putting word in my mouth. You’re allowed your opinion, and I’m allowed to have mine. I wasn’t being mean about it. I wasn’t demanding you stop. I was just stating how I feel. This is why I don’t post here nearly as often as I used to. I feel as if any time I disagree with a good chunk of the group, people take what I’m saying as an attack.
Angie I wasn’t trying to attack you. I was responding to your opinion that some of us have gotten cynical.
You’re allowed yours, I’m allowed mine. And no where did I say that you told us to stop. That’s putting words in my mouth."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 1, 2014 at 3:14 pm #283914
No, I didn’t say you were attacking me- I meant you reacted as if I attacked you. You didn’t say I demanded you stop, but you implied it by stating you are allowed to be critical when I never said you weren’t. If you didn’t feel I was asking you to stop, then why say that? You responded as if I had insulted you. What was I supposed to think?October 1, 2014 at 3:22 pm #283915
No, I didn’t say you were attacking me- I meant you reacted as if I attacked you. You didn’t say I demanded you stop, but you implied it by stating you are allowed to be critical when I never said you weren’t. If you didn’t feel I was asking you to stop, then why say that? You responded as if I had insulted you. What was I supposed to think?
I didn’t think you had insulted anyone nor attacked anyone. I am just saying that people might be critical of the show, and that’s fine. Just like people can praise the show and think that the 401 premiere was good, and that’s equally fine. It takes all sorts around here.
Bottom line: people can praise, people can critique. No one’s opinion is better than the others and just because have different viewpoints doesn’t mean we can’t discuss the show without it getting into name calling territory."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 1, 2014 at 3:34 pm #283916
I didn’t think saying people are being cynical was name calling…
You were clearly bothered by what I said or you wouldn’t have commented on it. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to upset you or anyone else. I just miss the way it used to be around here when people weren’t always so angry with the show.October 1, 2014 at 6:07 pm #283929PriceofMagicParticipant
I think Rumple’s speech at Neal’s grave was a little exposition heavy, however, it showed a little bit of insight into Rumple’s thinking. As screwball Ninja so eloquently writes:
One of the reasons people love the villains in OUAT so much is that they’re transgressive— men aren’t supposed to show fear and women aren’t supposed to show anger, so when Rumple cringes and Regina snarls it’s incredibly appealing to watch. What’s interesting to me is that Rumple is a textbook case of how patriarchal norms affect men as well as women. Take the touching scene when Rumple talks to his dead son and recalls the time he comforted a scared Baelfire by telling him “don’t be afraid,” everything was going to be alright— and Baelfire believed him.
Rumple associates masculinity with not only with an absence of fear, but being able to REMOVE fear in others; for Rumple, a man is someone who is able to comfort and protect— but protection means having power. And magic is power.
Magic = power = violence = protection = masculinity
So now we have Rumple admitting that lusting after power isn’t strictly necessary as long as you have love … and yet magic is somehow tied into power/violence/masculinity in his mind.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixOctober 1, 2014 at 9:14 pm #283942schaendlichParticipant
Let us all keep in mind that THERE ARE NO OTHER OPTIONS besides ONCE…. Maybe it is because we do not have cable or faster internet to stream and just can watch BROADCAST TVM… but there is nothing else to watch that is any good in this time slot….. SO I FEEL FORTUNATE that ONCE is such a good show that I enjoy it and not just because there is nothing else to watch. NONNIE . .
My goodness, some of you have become so cynical. Maybe I’m a Little Miss Sunshine among the fandom, but I loved the episode.
I am a bit cynical, but that is because I have been with this show from the beginning. I’ve seen it’s faults, and I’ve seen Once never attempt to learn from them. I will admit it is cynicism, but sadly, cynicism doesn’t come from thin air. Don’t be mistaken. I like this show, and that is why I criticize it.
I’ve seen Rumpel say better things to and for his son, and that is why I became appalled that the first time he saw his son buried in the ground, he used his final goodbye to boost himself and justify his murder of Zelena.
I’ve seen this show kill of PoCs left and right, and therefore, I will criticize the treatment of our newest potential victim.
I’ve seen villains justified when they shouldn’t be for the sake of fandom in a show that is supposedly about morals, and therefore, I will criticize OutlawQueen’s newest developments.
I’m sorry that it bothers you guys, but my remarks are all out of love. I know that some do not agree with criticizing things that they like, but that is simply the way that it is. I have stuck up for Once, but as something that I enjoy, I refuse to glance over so much waste. I find it to be an injustice, especially because I love this show.
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