October 6, 2014 at 6:44 pm #284577timespacerParticipant
I thought this episode was OK but had some flaws. Even though it wasn’t great, there were several things I liked and one that balances on the cusp of like/dislike.
Like/Dislike – Like Keb and Angiebell, I sometimes like it when the show embraces its camp to have a little fun, provided they don’t over do it. I liked the humor of Bo Peep being the evil warlord but I thought it undercut the sense of drama that they tried to achieve in those scenes, particularly David’s description of his father.
Like – I love how they use visual cues to tie together recurring themes in different episodes. “White Out” was written by Jane Espenson, who also wrote the second season episode, “We Are Both”. A powerful scene near the end of “We Are Both” showed Regina standing alone in front of the door of her house as Henry walked away with David after she let him go. The scene near the end of “White Out” perfectly mirrored that earlier scene by showing Regina and Henry together in front of the door after she let him into the house. The scene from Season Two was shot from the outside, looking into the house at Regina in the doorway while the scene from “White Out” was shot from the inside, looking out toward Henry and Regina in the doorway.
Like – The scenes between Emma and Elsa were great. I thought Jennifer Morrison’s performance was excellent.
Like – It was fun to see that Storybrooke does indeed have power lines coming into town but I wonder how the curse prevents the local Maine power company from noticing the hundreds of megawatts being sucked off their grid! The scene with Snow at the generator was also fun. I don’t think it was as really out of charcter as some folks seem to think but was just a humorous reminder that even someone as good-natured as Snow White can get cranky when she’s so tired. In the fun-to-speculate-but-not-really-relevant-to-the-story category, I couldn’t help but notice that generator only
looked big enough to power a few buildings. I wonder if there were
other backup generators for the rest of the town?[adrotate group="5"]October 6, 2014 at 6:54 pm #284582Jenna_BParticipant
I really liked the episode. Over the course of the season, I do hope the episodes get stronger, but I did like everything it set up. It was a Jane episode — you’re always going to get a lot of talking and character background, but very little overall movement in the plot. So it wasn’t unexpected (to me) that we saw/didn’t see what we did/didn’t.
Favorite Moments –
– Elsa / Emma. I love that they’re giving Emma a friend that’s her very own (unlike, say Ruby, who’s really Snow’s friend) or a relative (Henry) or with romantic undertones. Emma needs someone who’s trying to understand her powers, so learn with, as opposed to learn from – ie Regina / Rumple.
– Captain Charming. I love them. They also need friends who aren’t significant others, and I think they play well off of each other. I thought their conversation about Emma was totally in character and it would’ve been strange if they didn’t have it – David’s still finding his footing when it comes to this Emma’s Dad thing and given his history, Hook should make his intentions clear to someone other than Emma.
– Anna / Charming. I really liked them. I actually really like Anna. She’s bright and funny. The show needs more bright moments – that’s the biggest problem I had with 3a. There was no room for lighter moments, and I personally need those to break up the constant big bad, we’re-all-in-crisis-mode stuff.
– Snow going nuts. So. Awesome. As a new parent, you’re going to have your share of pull-out-your-hair-I’m-so-overwhelmed-right-now moments. So I thought it was hilarious to see out of control, frazzled Snow. Yes, it was way over the top – but it was supposed to be. She was at her wit’s end. I don’t agree with some that Snow’s trying to take over — Regina’s obviously not capable of running the town if she can’t even handle seeing her son – someone’s gotta do it, and who would be the natural choice but one of those you consider your leader in the EF?
Least Favorite Moments
– Regina. Um…the whole thing was just off. Regina sends Henry a note by bird? Huh? It’s called a phone. Call, send a text. Heck send a text through Emma. But a note by bird is probably the last thing I’d expect Regina to do. And I’m really not a fan of the whole breaking down and being unable to function bit when you lose your romantic partner. I know, she went all evil when she lost her last BF, but at least they were together for more than 5 minutes (I think). But Robin and Regina – though I get how OQ could get intense so fast – really were together for one hot minute before Marian came back. After all Regina has gone through, sans romantic partner, to suddenly backslide and turn into a sniveling pile of depression because she lost the guy in her life? Now that part doesn’t ring true to me.
As for Bo Peep – I liked her! But yes, she is definitely a 1 episode only kind of character. Having someone like that even recurring would get very annoying very quickly. But again, I like the lighter, campier moments so I thought she was pretty hilarious. And I like when they take different spins on the characters so to make Bo Peep a warlord was great, in my opinion.
Question though – at the end when they apparently hear a heartbeat via Bo Peep’s staff thingy….I didn’t hear it….but that might just be me and my going prematurely deaf thing (if you ask my husband, that is!)October 6, 2014 at 7:07 pm #284585CindersParticipant
I loved the episode. And I loved Bo Peep.
I’m sure there were warlords in those days. So, throw in a twist, and make the warlord a woman. Give her magic. Give her a nursery rhyme name, and what’s not to love? I thought her costume was a pink, bloody, hot mess, but that tied together well when I saw her butcher apron really was a literal bloody mess.
We’ve wondered who all these background Storybrooke characters were, and who they might have been in the a Enchanted Forrest. Well, now we’ve met a couple more. The butcher and the ice cream scooper.
I liked David and Ana together. David and Ana needed a common adversary to fight against, and Bo Peep provided that. David’s story of his father tied him to Ana even further. David’s father left, saying he would return in two weeks, but died on his journey. Ana’s parents also left for a two week journey and died on their travels. These two have much in common. Two young adults, taking on adult roles, caring for the welfare of their families. David caring for his mother, Ana caring for her sister.
I loved Mary Margaret losing her temper with Happy and Grumpy. When Happy’s not happy nobody’s happy. Especially Mary Margaret.
Mostly, I loved the dynamics between Emma and Elsa. They are lovely together.
I’m looking forward to finding the answered to all those unanswered questions. Whose house did Belle find? Who owned the hat, and what magic does it give the new owner? What did the note say that Elsa/Ana’s mother wrote? Where is Ana? What happens between Ana and a Rumple? Who exactly is the woman who runs the ice cream shop, and what does she have in common with Elsa? How, and why, did Elsa end up in that bottle?October 6, 2014 at 9:14 pm #284603nonnieParticipant
Entire episode was pretty good ….
Disliked ….. that they left the deleted scene OUT this was more important and added a lot of information that was needed.
DISLIKED … the monologue with David about his alcoholic father… could have been shorter and more to the point … would have rather had the deleted scene.
,October 7, 2014 at 1:28 am #284617swanning-offParticipant
I loved the OTT characterisation of Bo Peep. Had me in stitches with the bad cockney accent – especially when she then turned up as the butcher in Storybrooke. (Just kept imagining her singing The Worst Pies in London then…)
Snow’s outburst at the needy dwarves was also hilarious. Their justification for asking her to fix things made sense within the context of the show: the people of the Enchanted Forest (or at least a large proportion of them) see Snow as their rightful Queen…. which translated into the modern world, they see her as the civic leader – the Mayor. The fact that she might want some maternity leave right now just hasn’t occurred to them.
I am so glad that Snow’s outburst contained a jab at the dwarves complaining about lacking modern conveniences for all of half an hour or whatever it had been by the time they came to get her. They lived their entire lives without conveniences before – suck it up for a bit now! ERMAGHAD I CAN’T GOOGLE…. a hilarious insight into how over reliant we are on modern tech.October 7, 2014 at 2:02 am #284620MatthewPaulModerator
– The Emma and Elsa stuff. Best part of the episode.
– Charming and Anna interacting in the flashback.
– Charming and Hook having a chat about Emma.
– Elizabeth Mitchell’s entrance at the end.
– I actually didn’t hate Bo Peep. The character was ridiculous, but as others have said, that felt like the whole point. It was just the writers having fun with a one off villain. The idea of warlord Bo Peep reminded me of the Writers Room sketch we got this Summer, in regards to villains they joked around about adding.
– Regina telling Henry to stay away. Even if she’s depressed about Robin Hood, it still felt out of left field.
– The Dwarfs being pushy with Snow. That also felt out of character, as did Snow’s outburst in response.October 7, 2014 at 10:16 am #284635GaultheriaParticipant
The ice cream shop scene- I liked how Grumpy had a crush on Elizabeth Mitchell’s character. It’ll be interesting if EM uses Grumpy’s crush on her as a way to spy on the heroes.
Grumpy might just really like ice cream. Dwarves in the Enchanted Forest are probably all lactose-intolerant, due to their life cycle. Turn them human, and “Wow, this stuff is awesome!”
Of course, if that’s the only shop that sells ice cream, then her power over Grumpy still stands.
Gaultheria's fanvids: http://youtube.com/sagethrasherOctober 7, 2014 at 2:15 pm #284648WickedRegalParticipant
I think Regina’s depression goes far beyond losing Robin Hood…the woman’s had a tough two years that she hasn’t had time to properly sit down, think about, and work through. I mean the woman’s curse broke, nearly got killed by an angry mob, had to fight for her son, give up her son for his best wishes, do your best to try to be good, tried to stop using magic, First True Love came back who she had to later, painfully kill herself, then worried your mother would come to kill everyone you love, save Emma and Mary Margret at the well, dealing with the scorn of angry townspeople in Storybrooke, find out your therapist has been talking to people behind your back, falsely accused of killing someone, losing your son yet again, go into hiding where the mother you’ve spent your whole life terrified of, comes back wanting to make amends promising to get you back your son, go on this crazy Dagger Quest, fight in Gold’s Shop, betrayed by Snow White who tricked you into killing your own mother, going through a lottta lotta lotta crazy moments, discovering that your son’s family was planning to leave you behind, more crazy moments, being nearly electrocuted to death, then right afterward having to nearly sacrifice your life to save the town you cursed, then jump straight into Neverland where you spend weeks saving/leading/working with the people who get on your last nerves, finally teaming up with Rumple to come up with a solution to Peter Pan issue, training Emma in magic, then seeing your son give his heart to someone else, you finally have enough and just beat Pan yourself, save your son, and you’re out of NL! The same day….you learn that you were tricked by Peter Pan who possessed Henry’s body, deceiving you, then reunited with your real son who later switched back bodies, then seeing your Master/Father Figure sacrifice his life to save his family, and then you have to do your part by sacrificing your happy ending, giving your son to his bio mom, and giving them both good memories knowing your son will never remember you again, and then finally reversing your curse to send you and everyone else back to the H— Hole you fought so hard to escape. Sinking into a deep dark depression, you try your best to hold it together, but then discovers a big sister who wants to kill you and your family, so a whole year of dealing with that plus a load of flirtatious moments with a Snarky Outlaw, you are a better person who splits your (step)daughter’s heart in half to save her and your son in law’s, before the curse sweeps back across the land taking you back to SB where you have no memory of the past year, and is once again called out as the villain who cursed them one more. Then seeing the son who no longer remembers you, working together with your co-parent/(step)granddaughter, you clear your name and oust Zelena. Now dealing with your wicked elder sister, along with managing a relationship with the soulmate you ran from so long ago, you balance and do everything to protect not only your heart but your family, even getting knocked around by your dead mother, where you eventually break the curse, and immediately have to guard your step daughter whose baby gets taken away. Teaming up with your family, you go to confront your sister, where you gain light magic, and defeat her. You try giving her a second chance only to discover that she may have offed herself, not knowing Rumple really did it. Yet, despite that tiny bit, you’re at your most happiest with your soul mate, your son, his son, and your family! But then after a long day of happiness…you discover that Emma brought back your soul mate’s dead wife who was supposed to die….
So after all of that, Regina hasn’t had time to get some wine, soft music, think, and try not to sink into depression. Like Lana said, she’s been through a lot, and just hasn’t had a chance to take a break and think….so alone time with herself was needed, and she knew the Charmings would take care of Henry.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn BalorOctober 12, 2014 at 9:36 am #285187obisgirlParticipant
What I liked about this episode:
Charming and Hook working together as a team to rescue Emma from the ice cave. The last time these two worked so closely together was in ‘Good Form.” (3×05). And here, it was to save someone they both love very much: Emma. And the talk, I think Charming knew that Hook truly loves Emma but he needed to hear it from him that what he feels, it’s more than a fling, or something else. And when they did rescue Emma, Charming lifted Emma into Hook’s arms.
The only part about the fairytale flaskback I liked was the interaction between Charming and Anna. It was cool to see her teach him his trademark sword moves and teach him not to give up on the people that he loves and become the hero that he is.
I enjoyed seeing Ruth again, even though she had a very small role in the flashbacks.
And yes, all the Captain Swan moments.
Bo Peep. I hope she’s a one-off episode villain and we seriously, never see her again.
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