October 5, 2015 at 4:30 pm #309259SapphireParticipant
This. I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed it and was bothered.
Yes but you know what really bothered me? “Lady Mary Margaret” Okay, 1) she’s Snow White and 2) She’s a Queen in the Enchanted Forest. GAAAAAAAH
That bothered me so much. I mean, yes they’re in Camelot, but aren’t they also technically in Fairy Tale Land? It’s all the same realm. She should be going by her actual name.
Are they in Fairy Tale Land? Or is Camelot a realm of it’s own? Because surely Arthur and Camelot would have heard of the Evil Queen, who was declared one of the most fearsome villains, second only to the Dark One….surely they would have known Regina wasn’t the Savior!!!! But I just told myself, Camelot is just it’s own realm living next door to the Enchanted Forest like Wonderland and Oz. Though I maybe wrong, but to silence that voice that says “This doesn’t make sense” I just go with the flow.
The necklace Percival gave Regina was a bit much.
Regina’s dress and hair for the ball. I know the goal was to soften her look, but they took it to the opposite end of the spectrum. She isn’t going to Medieval Prom. A happy medium between Evil Queen and Pretty Pretty Princess would’ve suited Regina’s character better. And ugh, the hairstyle just did not work with the dress IMO. Far too casual.
Emma looking like a bride at the ball.
CGI of Camelot.
Dude in distress Robin. I’d like to see him be a little more heroic again.
Absolutely campy, cheesy way to stop the Fury. Total cop-out. Snow and Charming willing to make Prince Neal an orphan. No.
The way Charon emerged and disappeared was awful. It could’ve been much more realistic. I don’t understand why his boat was shown attached to a giant block – maybe I’m missing something here. It reminded me of someone being pushed and pulled off stage during a play.
Charming living up to his name.
I don’t know why, but the closeups of Charming’s face when Percival was spying made me giggle.
Snow and Emma’s mother-daughter moment before the ball.
Belle and Leroy being friends.
“I can use that dagger to make you do this but I’m not! I’m asking you.” – Regina
SB Gang seeing Emma talk to an invisible RumpleDO.
Emma’s glittery hand.
Belle and Hook’s conversations about how to cope when you love a DO.
Emma unable to bring herself to go in to Granny’s.
The entire scene and dialogue where the Charmings teach Regina how to dance. It shows how far they’ve come… especially when Regina is willing to open up and be vulnerable to them about filling the role of the Savior, and the Charmings treat her as a friend in return.
Guinevere’s necklaces. I want them.
The scene where Charming coaches Henry on how to talk to Violet.
Charon. HAAAAAADDDDDEEEESSSSS. COME TO ME. If we’re getting Greek Mythology next I will be over the moon.[adrotate group="5"]
Keeper of Regina's book of magicOctober 5, 2015 at 4:38 pm #309263SweetsParticipant
Regina’s dress and hair for the ball. I know the goal was to soften her look, but they took it to the opposite end of the spectrum. She isn’t going to Medieval Prom. A happy medium between Evil Queen and Pretty Pretty Princess would’ve suited Regina’s character better.
In an interview Lana said they styled Regina as if Cora were dressing her. The logic being Regina would think “Oh, well my choices are wrong so what would my mother want?” If you think about it that way all of the choices make sense.October 5, 2015 at 4:38 pm #309264RumplesGirlKeymaster
Are they in Fairy Tale Land? Or is Camelot a realm of it’s own? Because surely Arthur and Camelot would have heard of the Evil Queen, who was declared one of the most fearsome villains, second only to the Dark One….surely they would have known Regina wasn’t the Savior!!!!
Well according to one interview, Camelot and The EF are just a horse ride away (but then again they said the same about Arrendale which…no)
ETA: also, in the graphic novel of last year Camelot was its own realm and Jefferson had to go through the hat to get there.
So yeah. There’s that."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 5, 2015 at 4:45 pm #309266cutie pieParticipant
Probably one of my most favorite episodes, maybe because so many were in it and they kept things moving forward.
I liked the parallel of Regina claiming to be the Savior in Camelot and her needing to be the Savior in present day Storybrooke. Because of that I thought the writing of this episode quite good. Also the reminder that all magic comes with a price and that this is the rule for a Dark One, but not made by him? Who made the magic rules? And as so poignantly pointed out does the rule apply to others who use magic?
Anyway, I liked the scene at the town line. That Dopey became a tree, ha. I was sorry there weren’t apples. 🙂 I thought this was whimsical, and I like when there is a little bit of whimsical.
I liked that Regina got called out by Sir Percival even though no one else heard.
I liked the twist that Regina couldn’t save Robin, that Emma had to, and I think this is going to be a plot point marching into the season.
I like that Emma is changing each time she uses magic. In fact, I think she will keep saving people with Dark Magic and continue to change and that her guise in Storybrooke isn’t really what she looks like. I think she looks more like Rumplestiltskin.
And frankly, I thought the end explaining Emma’s plan with Rumple whispering in her head was well played and one of the best plot points ever. Still stunned that the sword in the stone is in her basement even after watching it again. An awesome twist, and that she would want to snuff out the light in her family and friends.
I thought the CGI Fury was pretty good.
I agree with onceaholic that I am getting tired of Robin always looking weak.
“Robin looked weak. Again. I am all for girl-power and both partners saving each other, but given the the fact that he is supposed to be ROBIN HOOD I am getting a bit sick of Regina saving him and then mothering him afterwards. This time it is was understandable…he saved Regina then got swept up by the Fury but I always wonder when he will next be attacked and unable to defend himself again by some other person or creature.”
My least favorite part was probably the ball itself. Seemed bland overall. I think I expected something grander. Not sure what I expected. The other ball (end of season 3) seemed more colorful and fun to me.October 5, 2015 at 5:36 pm #309272nevermoreParticipant
Hmm, feeling a bit mixed on this one.
Pacing. I appreciate that they aren’t dragging out the BIG PLOT points/twists until our eyes bleed and we die of stagnation.
JMo, as DarkSwan. Absolutely nails it. There’s an interesting depth there, where I can’t help but wonder if she’s pulling strings — it almost felt like she was goading Regina to step up to the savior role, rather than doubting or belittling her. In the same way that Bobby’s Rumple always had that depth beneath the demented jester persona, JMo also brings layers to the role in a different way, but sort of to the same effect. Cool stuff.
Belle. A sober, efficient, emotionally more centered Belle that’s not flailing between plucky, geeky, and vulnerable, as the writers’ mashup of sexy librarian with manic dream pixie is a character I can get behind. Or maybe Emilie is still getting the same kind of writing, but decided to do something different with it affect-wise. Actually, I think that’s what it is — she’s still the google search anthropomorphized, but she gets a bit more dialogue, and is doing very nicely with it.
Some TLK explanations, including Emma’s “this is who I am now.” That actually makes sense in terms of how the DO curse might operate with one’s psychology.
Charming and Snow seem to have a bit of their Season 1 oomph back.
Gwen — up to no good, are we? Ze plot thickens.
Charron. Is Hades next?
Some of the costumes and jewelry were horrific and gaudy. And yet Hook is still wearing a pirate outfit. Henceforth to be known as Hook (TM).
The ball more generally. Underwhelming.
Camelot CGI. Looks like something that fell out of a McDonalds happy meal.
This, right here:
Yes but you know what really bothered me? “Lady Mary Margaret” Okay, 1) she’s Snow White and 2) She’s a Queen in the Enchanted Forest. GAAAAAAA
Why the Fury plot? What was the point of that? The whole implicit equation between the price of magic and forgetting to tip the ferryman feels like mixed metaphors to me. Why is the Fury carrying off Robin to the underworld? This seems like fusing Greek and Norse mythology, (Greek furies as agents of vengeance vs valkyries carrying the souls of slain warriors to Valhalla). I think having a more subtle kind of threat — even someone like a creepy ferryman appearing to Robin and enticing him to step into the boat — would have been more interesting, and more effective plot-wise than yet another flying screechy CGI critter.
And on that topic, why is Robin such a hapless nincompoop? Shouldn’t he be able to kick some butt? I’m not impressed by the way their relationship is progressively reframed into Regina being the mother figure to him. Is it just me, or did it use to be more balanced?
So magic has a price, except when it doesn’t. Or is it that only Dark Magic has a price?
And the biggest of all — the last scene. Thank you, Rumple-DO_Tutorial for that kind explanation of what Emma might be able to do with the sword and dagger, but I’m unclear as to what would motivate her to do it. I mean, the DO has always been held back by all these annoying things like love and family — but held back from what, exactly? I mean, the goal of “snuffing out all light” or whatever the sword would do, seems like a rather abstract, academic one to me. Unless it’s for the Evilzzzz, but that seems a little out of character.October 5, 2015 at 5:56 pm #309276nonnieParticipant
The ending Dark One monologue was haunting but powerful,
“the pull of the family we so desperately to protect ”
“the friendships that make it possible to forget who we use to be”
“the magic that threatened to undue our most evil things”
“the love that refuses to give up on us.”
“We can’t escape the reach of the light”.
>>>THIS was the best of the night….October 5, 2015 at 6:02 pm #309277PriceofMagicParticipant
Belle’s scene with Grumpy- It was nice for the show to remember that Belle has made friends with several of the characters.
Hook coming to Belle for advice- it was nice for Belle to be treated as an actual person with experiences rather than just a walking talking encyclopedia.
Snowing noticing Henry has a crush and giving him advice- We don’t get enough family moments on this show.
Henry and Violet- It was cute and sweet though I hope they don’t make this to be Henry’s true love.
Emma as the dark one and her outfits.
Arthur and Guinevere not necessarily being what they appear but still being good.
Percival trying to kill Regina, Robin nearly dying- It was about time that Regina’s past actions came back to bite her in the arse.
At least we kind of got a semi-explanation why Rumple didn’t bring back Nealfire, the price would’ve likely been someone else’s life close to him aka Belle and Rumple couldn’t do that nor would Nealfire have wanted that.
Regina blaming Rumple that everyone sees her as the evil queen and doesn’t believe in her- No Regina, it’s your decades of peasant murdering and ruling the kingdom with an iron fist that did that.
Hook’s pirate ball outfit- It just looked out of place compared to the other characters.
Robin not dying- I think it would have been more impactful if Robin had died and then maybe getting Robin back would’ve been an ongoing storyline for 5B.
Everyone’s attitude towards Regina- I don’t like Regina as a full blown hero, it doesn’t suit her IMO, so to have everyone be all “Regina you’re the greatest” despite everything Regina’s done is grating. Percival was great though, it’s time Regina starts dealing with consequences for her past actions rather than them just being whitewashed.
Question: Does every dead character get taken to the underworld in a similar manner to Robin? If the dead can be brought back aka Robin, does that mean other dead characters can be brought back (subject to actor availability)?
Overall I liked this episode much more than last week. There was more family and friendship moments rather than it being all about the relationships.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixOctober 5, 2015 at 6:02 pm #309278RumplesGirlKeymaster
Why the Fury plot? What was the point of that?
Yes, I agree that they could easily set up Hades/Underworld foreshadowing without pulling out a Fury. But these writers never quite know when to ease up off that throttle. If (if if if) The Underworld is coming next and Emma goes down to it, then I suspect they’re going to double up on their Greek myths in which Hook becomes an Orpheus stand in and Snow becomes Demeter.
I mean, the goal of “snuffing out all light” or whatever the sword would do, seems like a rather abstract, academic one to me.
And the snuffing out the light seems to happen no matter how much love you’re being given from your friends and family. Case in point, Rumple’s darkening heart that he was unable to stop even though he married the love of his life. It was likened to a medical condition that has no cure."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 5, 2015 at 6:21 pm #309280nevermoreParticipant
Yes, I agree that they could easily set up Hades/Underworld foreshadowing without pulling out a Fury. But these writers never quite know when to ease up off that throttle.
LOLZ! Truer words…
If (if if if) The Underworld is coming next and Emma goes down to it, then I suspect they’re going to double up on their Greek myths in which Hook becomes an Orpheus stand in and Snow becomes Demeter.
Ha, I’ll add my cookies to this theory. Actually, considering the connection between the Hades myths and the Beauty and the Beast fairytale, I wouldn’t be surprised if this is also how we’re going to get Rumples out of that coma — perhaps his soul is wandering the underworld. (It’s unclear to me whether he’ll make it). It would be a logical way to tie in several plot lines together
And the snuffing out the light seems to happen no matter how much love you’re being given from your friends and family.
Unless, we’re talking about some kind of global light snuffing, like all goodness is thereby abolished, and what we have going forth is not the battle of good and evil, but the battle of the bad and the worse. (And then OUAT will naturally morph int0 Game of Thrones)October 5, 2015 at 8:21 pm #309293onceaholicParticipant
Does anyone else have the feeling that Guinevere might be Nimue in disguise? I feel like she might have her own reasons for having the dagger and Exacalbur in connected together again. (Then again, maybe she would have done it herself during the missing year in season 3 if she was able to come of the lake and walk, assuming that Camelot and EF are kingdoms in the same world/dimension).
Others have suggested that 5B will be Hades/Underworld etc.
I really hope that seasons 1-5A were not the final test for the characters to prove their worthiness of going to a better place. Like they were put back in EF to prove themselves, and if they don’t they are back in Underworld. Or something like that.
Keeper of Regina's bravery
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