October 19, 2015 at 4:14 pm #310338Bar FarerParticipant
It looks like most of the people here didn’t like this episode, but I really liked it. The plot was fun and enjoyed watching it, more than I enjoyed last week’s episode at least.
1) I was right that Guinevere is under a spell and that’s why she was with Arthur! Their entire interactions in the last episodes lacked emotion and looked super fake, like Gwen is secretly hating him under the love, so I’m glad it’s really the case.
Also it was so weird to see Arthur so shady! It was clear that he’s a terrible person. I’m not sure if he׳s evil, because evil is more like taking over the world kind of thing. But he’s just a crappy person. I’m overwhelmed by all this shadiness but I think I liked it.
2) I liked Gwen’s and Lancelot’s journey too. It was fun and their relationship was very believable to me.
3) I liked the parts of continuity they did right. At first when I saw the weird jungle place I was like ‘omg it’s the same place from Snow’s and Charming’s visions did the writers forget it is it just a generic green screen background that they use randomly?’ And then they pleasantly surprised me by acknowledging that. I liked the the tie to the gauntlet too.
1) Are they just avoiding timeline now? WTH is that ״a long time ago” say a date! When I saw that I felt bad for Keb.
2) Seriously WHAT is OUAT’s problem with rape? Just drop the damn subject. It’s a serious matter not something that you casually drop in the script to move the plot!
3) Why was there darkness in the vault if there was a dark one?!?
4) Alright now this is something that really bothers me. In the end of the episode Emma and Hook kissed in a field full of flowers and it was very romantic, but the flowers were the ones that Arthur gave Guinevere, the ones that symbolize their crumbling relationship. Are the writers stupid? Or what? What is going on? What game are they playing?
Not only did I not like the episode, I really think this season is not that great like other people think. I just thought that now that Emma is the Dark One, we will finally see characters develop and see their reaction to the new situation and show actuall emotions. Instead, we have the same old people running around after magical mcguffins and just running around and doing things that lead to nowhere. I think that the new Camelot characters are even less interesting than previous characters (Frozen and the Queens of Nothing) and they get a lot of focus than I would have liked. Add that the usual retconing and plot holes that have become really tiring at this point.[adrotate group="5"]
"All your questions are pointless"October 19, 2015 at 5:30 pm #310348nonnieParticipant
what the heck are magical mcguffins ??? I hear the term MCGUGGINS used all the time but have no literary reference to what it means…..
.October 19, 2015 at 5:34 pm #310350RumplesGirlKeymaster
what the heck are magical mcguffins ??? I hear the term MCGUGGINS used all the time but have no literary reference to what it means….. . .
A magical Mcguffin = an object that the protagonist peruses usually with very little narrative purpose.
Plot device, in other words but specifically something that has little importance in the overall story."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 19, 2015 at 7:11 pm #310365PriceofMagicParticipant
Finally watched the episode.
“The pony’s smarter than the pirate”
Emma having DORumple in her head- The show could elevate this plot point into one about Mental Illness and how the rest of the characters react to Emma hearing voices in her head, having conversations with hallucinations, etc. In other words, how would the fairytale characters deal with someone with a mental illness. However, the show seems to be going for a big middle finger towards the issue of mental illness. All the “crazy” people are “evil”. Therefore they get rejected by their loved ones because they’re now “evil” eg Hook towards Emma last episode. This plot line has so much potential, yet like always, this show completely and utterly wastes it. How about showing characters accepting someone with a “mental illness” and loving them just the same because they’re still the same person, instead of being all “OMG we have to fix you! We can’t love you until you’re better and not having mental issues!”
Hook’s expressions when he realised Henry has a crush on a girl- They were funny and I liked the teasing, however, that’s the sort of behaviour you’d expect from perhaps an older brother or a friend, not a father figure which is essentially what Hook is supposed to be because of his relationship with Emma. Emma and Henry come as a package, Hook can’t have one without the other.
Snowing putting their family first- Arthur’s quest to destroy the darkness seems reasonable, as does Snowing’s desire to protect Emma. However, Snowing have a bad habit of constantly putting themselves and their family before others despite being self-proclaimed heroes. Snowing family motto is “screw the peasants! So long as we’re okay”.
No Belle- A&E are wasting Emilie.
Snow asserting her dominance over Charming- Sometimes I wonder what Charming sees in Snow because she comes across as very high maintenance.
Guinevere cheating on Arthur just because he’s focussed on his work to unite the broken kingdom by finding the DO dagger instead of focussing on her. If a man puts all his effort into work in order to provide a stable home for his family/subjects, does that give his wife the right to have an affair just because she feels she’s not getting enough attention? Also Guinevere goes from “I’m going to finish this damn quest so I can get the man I LOVE back” to kissing Lancelot awfully quick.
Lancelot- Here’s the thing, did Arthur ask Lancelot to plan Guinevere’s birthday party since he didn’t have the time because he was too focussed on his work, or did Lancelot do it off his own back? If it’s the former, then Lancelot should’ve said that Arthur asked him to plan the party. If it’s the latter, then I would say that Lancelot was deliberately making moves on Guinevere especially with the flowers.
When Emma tells Hook about seeing imaginary Rumple (Or DO Clippy as screwball ninja calls him), Hook then makes it all about him- It’s annoying how Hook does this. Listen to Emma, comfort her, reassure her, Hook’s demons are irrelevant because they’re not there dressed in leather, talking to him and trying to make him do bad things.
The screw up in timeline- There is no way in hell that DO Rumple could be in Camelot “5 years ago” since Belle was only starting out at the castle when he got the gauntlet. Either there’s been a severe cock up or there’s been a massive oversight in the subtitling and A&E should really shape up and proof view their episodes.
Arthur telling his entre plan to Snow and Lancelot- That was just stupid. You know they’re going to want to stop you, so don’t tell them your plan so that they can figure out a way to stop you.
Hook stealing a horse, quite possibly from Violet’s farm- Because that is what you do when someone welcomes you with open arms, you steal their things. Not to mention that Henry is going to look bad because it was his people that stole Violet’s horse.
Hook insulting the yellow bug (Emma’s pride and joy) then ordering Emma to “stop talking to the demon in your head and get on the horse”- Not only is this condescending, but the horse has shown that it doesn’t like Emma, what makes Hook think its going to let Emma ride it. It’s moments like this that show that CS is not a relationship that should be idealised by impressionable members of the audience. It’s controlling and unhealthy.
Hook’s speech about trust and how he’ll “never stop fighting for us” (stealing Belle’s line) is laughable after how he treated Emma last episode. Belle has actually demonstrated that she’s not going to give up on Rumple, Hook goes running when the going gets tough. He needs to man up or walk away, not push Emma away because of her darkness (or in other words being mentally ill) then come crawling back proclaiming his love the moment she gets “better”
Hook claiming that Emma believing in him solved her problem of seeing DORumple- Emma never saw DORumple all the time anyway, a horse ride doesn’t magically fix things.
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixOctober 20, 2015 at 12:09 am #310394nevermoreParticipant
Ok, without reading other people’s comments.
Overall I disliked this episode.
In no particular order:
What is this magical sand that “fixes” things? More unidentified magical substances. Enough of those.
Snow and Charming — while I appreciate what I think the writers were going for here (Snowing fighting, but overcoming their differences), I dislike how Charming and Snow were respectively portrayed. Charming came off as a dolt, and Snow as a nagging harpy. No. Just no. These characters deserve better than a reboot of “Married with Children.”
The absolutely ridiculous plot-line with Rumple and Merida. I mean, really, can it get any worse? Because, who better to make Rumple brave than Brave (TM)? I’m sorry, this is just plain stupid — from the whole “you’re the only one to be able to get the sword out of the stone” (why??? it makes zero sense), to the whole Merida think. Not impressed.
So, as we said, Guinevere is sketchy, but that’s only because she’s sniffed some magical dust courtesy of her even sketchier husband.
The entire Guinevere story. The whole thing with Lancelot seemed a little bit fast, and hence not particularly credible.
But the worst thing about this whole episode, is yet another example of OUAT’s implicit classicism. Arthur’s story is one of a lower class dude trying to come up “beyond his station” => and hence he’s a villain. If that sounds familiar, that’s because that’s also Rumple, Cora, Zelena, Pan and on and on the list goes. If you’re not born to royalty but want to achieve high status on OUAT, you’re likely to be evil. Unless you’re Charming, but that’s because he’s Snow’s sidekick, and Snow is legitimate royalty. “Fixing” the kingdom involves transforming wooden huts into a stone castle. Because clearly, if you live in the wooden house, your life is broken and need magic dust to fix it.
Ugh. I can’t even.
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