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When coming to the forums … I always love this thread . . . What were your FAVORITE AND LEAST FAVORITE MOMENTS from this episode 5 x 11 SWAN SONG … this is the finale before the WINTER HIATUS.
INCLUDE ANY favorite dialogue too.
[adrotate group="5"]Rating: 7.5/10
Liked:
Family United….CharMillsStilskins!
Gold telling it like it is.
Evil Queen Scenes are always the best!
Gold wishing Belle well in life, and letting her go in order for her to enjoy her life.
The Dark One legacy has ended…again.
“Gina! Robbie!” Okay Zelena!!!
Leave it to Cora to be the Mayor of Hell!
“SOMEWHERE OVER THE RAINBOW!!! ENJOY OZ, WITCH!” ROFL REGINA!
Mixed:
Charmings give up hope is awkward, but entrusting Baby Neal to Emma….my emotions!
Hook made the right decision in the end, but he sure did raise a lot of Hell before hand.
I don’t know how to feel with HookedQueen Feels I haven’t felt since Season 2.
If it isn’t mommy issues, it’s father issues with this show.
Rumple killed his father, Regina killed hers, now Hook has killed his….
Yet another true love of Emma Swan dies….is she cursed?
You go to Hell! You go to Hell! Everyone goes to Hell!!
Disliked:
Emma…as many times as you and your family have been Cora’d, Zelena’d, and even Regina’d….you fell for that???!!!!!!!
Zelena…teaching daughter to be wicked….wow. Hmmm….don’t really know how to feel. She is the baby’s mother, but right now Robin and Regina should definetly be concerned about Baby Hood.
Papa Hook….is he a worse father than Pan or what?
Rumple stays Rumple….always the villain.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I have very little good to say. Honestly, this entire arc has been pretty poor but this episode really solidifies it as the writers just don’t care about anything other than certain characters and couples, to heck with everyone else.
LIKED
–Zelena. It’s a strange and twisted world when I like Zelena. At least she’s comfortable in her villainy. She doesn’t care about anyone but herself and she’s okay with it. None of this wishy washy greyness.
–“Gina! Robbie!” LOL
–The Hook/Rumple showdown in the forest. They both know how to snark at each other.
–Greek myths! (plz don’t screw this up, OUAT. plz don’t mess with my happy place)
–“Over the rainbow!” LOL at Regina and Zelena’s lines
–Classic Heroes Katabasis! MY FAVORITE THING. Too bad OUAT is sure to screw it up.
MIXED
–The Snow and Emma conversation was great. It was also the only family conversation we’ve gotten all season.
–This notion of deciding what kind of man you want to be. Okay, fine. Good lesson. But you know what? Just because you decide to be a good man doesn’t mean that it erases all the evil you just did. It doesn’t mean you get to declare yourself a hero.
–Rumple being really honest with Belle and sending her over the town line. AND THEN IT ALL WENT BADLY. SEE BELOW. TRUST ME. YOU’LL KNOW WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT.
DISLIKED
–PapaJones has no depth. He’s just a straight up bad father, down to naming his new son after an old one. I cared about him not at all and didn’t even blink when Hook killed him.
–PapaJones was in a sleeping curse and fell in love with his nurse. Mmmmkay. Oh, she died because of the plague. That’s convenient.
–Snow doesn’t feel like fighting for #hope but does feel like having Granny’s one final time. KAY!
–Hook using Henry’s image and Emma’s love for Henry to manipulate Emma. Morals!
–“Let me die a hero.” Nope. You don’t get to decide if you’re a hero or not. That’s not how it works. That’s not how any of this works.
–The Lake…is Purgatory? I don’t…understand.
–Emma doesn’t break her own darkness. Hook does. Sure, not by TLK, but Hook nonetheless. It would have been *such* a strong message if Emma had done it herself.
–Emma has to go to Hades to rescue Hook because it’s not fair to Hook. Are you kidding me? I’m trying really hard to not bring up Neal but….NEAL. HENRY. FAMILY. MORALS. FAIRNESS. You want to talk about FAIRNESS?! UGGGGGGGGHHHHH
–Okay here we go. Prepare thyselves, friends. Rumple is the Dark One, once again. Screw you, show. I’m so sick of this. So every other character under the sun gets a chance at redemption and a new life and forgiveness but heaven forbid that Rumple get that chance, right?! And not only that but he takes advantage of Belle and sleeps with her, taking her apology and her second (no…third!) chance for all its worth but is still a lying liar from liar town who cares more about his power than his wife, his son, his life, EVERYTHING. And it’s all in contrast to Hook. That’s the message we’re supposed to get. Hook = GOOD! Rumple = BAD! Hook = worthy! Rumple = not! Enough! Just enough! Redeem them both for crying out loud. Stop making Rumple this Super! Duper! Evil! Villain! For! Reasons! That’s not how he was conceived and they freaking know it! He wasn’t Cosmic! Evil. He wasn’t the Trickster Archetype! He was a father. Looking for his little boy and doing highly questionable but ultimately human things. That was Rumple. And they have just chipped away and away again and again until he’s nothing but this walking black hat with no depth and no heart and nothing–absolutely nothing–resembling Rumplestiltskin.
(I might be angry)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Liked:
–Zelena was extra entertaining. She is funny and fun to hate, and she plays off Lana so very well. (Still hate <del datetime=”2015-12-07T02:41:07+00:00″>some</del> most of her storylines but the character and the actress, I do adore.)
–Rumple giving Belle the means to live out her dream.
–Henry telling Belle everything (I wish we could see more of their friendship on screen but YAY this is proof that they have one)
–Belle coming back and forgiving Rumple (with some mixed feelings on this)
–Belle saying farewell to her father before leaving (Yay for remembering he exists!)
–Rumple…with powers…back…um…I like but don’t like and like whiplash here more on this later.
–Sweet family moments with the Charmings.
–Baby Killian was adorable.Mixed:
–Rumbelle reunion, those two, the chemistry, just zomg.
–DO Rumple back with a darker dagger and a whiter heart wait what? (I really don’t know where to put this at all)
–Killian & Emma’s sacrificial plan. I was actually moved by Emma having to watch/help her 4th love die (JMo, you rocked this) and I do adore Hook even if I’m not the biggest CS fan. And while Emma’s idea of sacrificing herself to save her family is problematic, she was showing her savior side again and I appreciated that.
–I’m still going wait what whiplash about Rumple’s reveal to Emma.
–So both sleeping curses and magical comas allow you to hear your caregivers and even fall in love with them. O…kay. That doesn’t exactly go along with the mythology they set up for them in S2.Disliked (and for an episode that I didn’t hate, there’s…a lot.)
–So…Camelot mattered how? The characters are where now? Violet is…who again? The only thing that they actually achieved from the Camelot arc was Excalibur…and now the characters are…where? Is there still a crazy power-mad Arthur out there plotting with King George (actually, that would be an awesome twist)? Is Gwen ever going to realize what was done to her? What happened to Lance and his mummy?
–Forgetting the dwarves halfway through the episode. Belle drives to the town line and doesn’t see Dopey? The sacrifice/substitutes get summoned to the lake and they don’t bring any of the dwarves, who were marked? They set them up to matter and then just…dropped them. Nobody even remembered them after the first half of the ep.
–Robin & the Charmings get Worst Parents in the World (along with Cora, Papa Jones, and Malcolm…) awards for first banishing Zelena and then abandoning three children (two infants! and one under the age of 6!) to go to the underworld…so that the fairies can raise them while they’re gone? I mean…what?
–Belle likes those kids so maybe she can take up mayoring AND fostering.
–Emma & Rumple reallythink they can take off with everyone but Belle and tell all of them about Rumple’s new little secret and Belle won’t find out when Henry texts her everything?
–Seriously, they LEFT BELLE BEHIND AGAIN? (Yes, yes, maternity leave for Emilie, but SERIOUSLY?)
–Belle coming back…I loved this but it was so…sudden. The whole THING was so sudden. If she hadn’t driven out of town but had planned to leave a little later after actually making some plans…it would make half a lick of sense.
–No, seriously, everything is way too squished together.
–Trying to squeeze that flashback in where they did on the timeline…I was hoping it would make sense. It did not. And the sleeping curse to keep PapaHook alive? Wait what?
–So what did Hook do with his baby brother? Just leave him there to become another orphaned villain? Where is Liam II now? He’d have to be about Henry’s age, wouldn’t he? Has he been attending Snow’s classes at Storybrooke Elementary?
–Rumple’s plan to take back the DO power. How? Excalibur crumbled. And he pointed out that the sword makes its own calls about miracles it performs.
–Also the motive. What was his motive? Just Hook’s call that Rumple loves power more than Belle or Bae? Is that…it? Have we reduced the complicated character who brought me nearly to tears when he let Belle go (again) to just…lust for power?
–I mean, SERIOUSLY. YES I AM STILL ON THIS. Serious whiplash here. Why would Rumple, after losing his son and Belle to his former lust for power, after becoming the purest hero who ever lived, after going to hell and back, after watching his heart turn to coal and KNOWING what the power does to him…why would he go back to it? Did he think it was all he had left when Belle left him? Is it just the addiction? It just…seriously lacked a motive in the episode. …and they’ve also given up on foreshadowing, haven’t they?
–They’re so intent on giving us whiplash now that they are making characters like Belle so OOC you can’t pin down who they really are anymore; her motives don’t exist because if she actually had driving goals for her character they couldn’t go SURPRISE SHE IS LEAVING HIM and then SURPRISE SHE IS BACK (in less than 24 hours I should add). And that’s what they did with Rumple too this episode. Twists are fulfilling and exciting when they feel inevitable after the fact, because while they weren’t expected, they make SENSE for the characters and the story. S1 was great at that. S5…feels like it’s groping for some way to shock us instead of telling the stories they lure us in for. Occasionally it’s worked (Emma breaking Henry’s heart, at that moment, did work) but it’s just not working in general. And the major things get spoiled/predicted anyways, so it’s not like they’re really throwing us off the scent this way…they’re just making us angry when the characters we love do things that don’t make sense for them. *coughbabysnatchingcough*
–They left Belle behind. Again. Which means that for the first half of next arc, she won’t be there. *sigh* And she’s going to find out about the new darker dagger eventually and then leave Rumple and then probably come back which will make everyone hate her no matter what she does at this point–she’s either not feminist/independent enough because she wants to be with her true love, or she’s a jerk for leaving a man who loves her as much as Rumple…they’ve written her into a corner she cannot win from….though it just hit me that she CAN now free Rumple from the DO curse with TLK at some point, when he chooses her over power (something that really bothered me in 4B when they kinda took that option away from him) but I have NO IDEA how they could write them to that point from this one and still keep both characters likeable for the audience. They’ve done the same plot lines to death with them (we’re separated, oh we’re together, oh you lied to me) and eventually even for someone who LOVES Rumbelle it’s tiring and harder to see why THIS reunion should stick…they may have made Rumple cross too many lines to ever come back from it now (which for many people was about a season and a half ago).Keeper of Belle's Gold magic, sand dollar, cloaks, purple FTL outfit, spell scroll, library key, copy of Romeo and Juliet, and cry-muffling pillow, Rumple's doll, overcoat, and strength, and The Timeline. My spreadsheet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6r8CySCCWd9R0RUNm4xR3RhMEU/view?usp=sharing
Robin & the Charmings get Worst Parents in the World (along with Cora, Papa Jones, and Malcolm…) awards for first banishing Zelena and then abandoning three children (two infants! and one under the age of 6!) to go to the underworld…so that the fairies can raise them while they’re gone? I mean…what?
In Robin and Regina’s defense….Zelena point blank said she would raise their daughter to be wicked, gleefully hoping they were heading toward their death. And also, they can’t really leave the town defenseless against Zelena who seemed quite certain she’d be taking over. Sending Zelena back to Oz was the best option for now….maybe it’ll teach her a lesson that hopefully she’ll learn by the time Regina summons her back, or if she finds her way back on her own.
But as for leaving Roland, Baby Hood, and Baby Snowflake…yeah…I agree with you. What parent leaves their child to take a field trip to the Underworld.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
But as for leaving Roland, Baby Hood, and Baby Snowflake…yeah…I agree with you. What parent leaves their child to take a field trip to the Underworld.
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REAL WORLD ANSWER…. those that serve in the armed forces and are deployed overseas.Still going wait what?
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That’s true, but military personnel usually have a better plan than “leave them with the fairies” which was the last stated plan we heard. I’m bothered by the way they set this upcoming arc up; Why does Emma need to put Henry or both her parents in danger to do this?
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But as for leaving Roland, Baby Hood, and Baby Snowflake…yeah…I agree with you. What parent leaves their child to take a field trip to the Underworld.
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REAL WORLD ANSWER…. those that serve in the armed forces and are deployed overseas.…and that’s actually exactly the answer my father, retired Air Force, gave me yesterday when I asked (rhetorically) how the San Bernadino shooters could leave their baby to go into a situation they knew they might not come out of. So yes, sometimes you DO that but here it didn’t make a lot of sense.
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