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And Emma has done stuff for Belle too. It’s not like she snubs her constantly. I just don’t think she’s good enough friends with her where she should feel obligated to tell her that her husband took back the DO power. She is the “Savior,”I get it. But Emma has to look out for Emma sometimes too.
As I recall, Hook, of all people, has done more for Belle than the entire Snowing scoobygang combined, Emma included. I don’t recall a single interaction between Belle and Emma where Emma wasn’t either using Belle for leverage, putting her in danger, or not giving her the time of day. I think we can safely say that Belle is not in Emma’s clique by any stretch of the imagination, and Emma will happily throw her under the bus if it serves her needs.
Anyway, all of this would be just fine, as long as we, the audience, don’t buy into the in-universe hero/villain ideology. It’s just another example of OUAT’s confusion about whether villains/heroes is an in-universe “culture”, or an out-of-universe meta narrative. If it’s ideology, as the show seems to be hinting with Gideon this season, then all we can do is measure Emma by in-universe standards. One problematic thing is that heroes in the show get to decide who is and is not a villain/hero, and deciding that those associated villainy are, by and large, less-than-human and disposable.
[adrotate group="5"]You guys are just hard on her. You want her to save everybody but when she looks out for herself sometimes, you burn her at the stake. She has been a great mom to Henry, a great friend to Regina, a great daughter to Snow and Charming, a good gf to Hook. She has saved towns, broken curses. Yes her focus has drifted more towards Hook lately but it doesn’t mean everything she does is wrong and that’s basically all I see on here.
Please remind me what she has done, because I don’t remember anything
Most recently, she helped Belle when she was giving birth. She was right next to her, holding her hand by her bedside. You guys have focused more on her negative behaviors and completely have dismissed any positive ones. I’m not saying she’s a saint, but the stuff she has done has gotten way overlooked. I also believe she helped reunite Maleficent and Lily.
You guys are just hard on her. You want her to save everybody but when she looks out for herself sometimes, you burn her at the stake. She has been a great mom to Henry, a great friend to Regina, a great daughter to Snow and Charming, a good gf to Hook. She has saved towns, broken curses. Yes her focus has drifted more towards Hook lately but it doesn’t mean everything she does is wrong and that’s basically all I see on here.
Really I think I am being easy on her, I am just saying when our “Savior” does something wrong it needs to be pointed out. She was WRONG when she blackmailed Rumple and USED Belle and she was WRONG to threaten to kill Gideon after he told her that he was trying to save innocent children. This episode she was acting like a young Snow: self righteous, hypocritical and wrong. I also point out when Regina, Hook, Rumple, and Belle do things wrong. So I am giving fair treatment to all. I think some just don’t like it when we point out our heroes faults, it is totally okay to point out when Rumple does something wrong because he is a villain but heaven forbid we should hold Emma to the same standards when in actuality she should be held to higher standards because she is supposed to be THE hero and Savior of this story.
ost recently, she helped Belle when she was giving birth. She was right next to her, holding her hand by her bedside. You guys have focused more on her negative behaviors and completely have dismissed any positive ones. I’m not saying she’s a saint, but the stuff she has done has gotten way overlooked. I also believe she helped reunite Maleficent and Lily.
I will give you that one, totally forgot that she was in the diner at the exact time Belle’s pregnancy was sped up. Maleficent and Lily reference has nothing to do with Belle or Rumple so does not count. So we have 1 incident that Emma helped Belle and several dozen where Belle helped Emma but okay good job Emma.
I think the biggest problem of all of it is first that Emma is a worse person now then she was when the show began and second that the show uses the heroes and villains dialogue. That should never have been a thing.
The show should show Emma accepting her saviorhood and doing things for other people, for the greater good, if that is the way the savior and hero dialogue is being setup. The thing is the show is ending or getting rid of Emma after showing her repeatedly only caring about herself and her immediate family. Emma may say she accepts her saviorhood, but there is nothing in the show to suggest that she is better or doing more for people then she was before. If anything she is doing much less then she did in the first few seasons.
Which it would be fine, if they didn’t call Emma the hero and the savior. There are a lot of shows were the main protagonists take care of their own first and foremost. That can work, but those characters don’t go around calling themselves heroes. I don’t know any show where the characters go around calling themselves heroes or villains. It is ridiculous.
For me, this is a writing error. This is not something about how Emma is acting that is the error. It seems like people think that Snow, Charming, and Emma are “self righteous” because they call themselves heroes and they call Regina, Rumpel, and Hook villains. It is bad writing, like it always is.
The show should show Emma accepting her saviorhood and doing things for other people, for the greater good, if that is the way the savior and hero dialogue is being setup. The thing is the show is ending or getting rid of Emma after showing her repeatedly only caring about herself and her immediate family. Emma may say she accepts her saviorhood, but there is nothing in the show to suggest that she is better or doing more for people then she was before. If anything she is doing much less then she did in the first few seasons.
I agree, it seems that now that she has “accepted” her savior-hood she is less like a savior. Season 1-2 had her being a hero and a savior and her not accepting it. Season 3-6 has her spouting off what a hero she is, but not acting like it.
but those characters don’t go around calling themselves heroes.
THIS!!!! If you go around calling yourself a hero you need to ACT like one, and when you don’t I am going to call you on it. Snowing and Emma are constantly going around calling themselves the heroes and Emma is constantly calling Hook a hero so if you are going to be heroes then act like them. Same goes for Regina (who acts like a real hero and understands that she still has a ways to go but is willing to work at it ) and Belle (bless Belle’s heart she is my idea of a real hero, someone who sees the best in people and wants to help them become the best person they can be!) Rumple has never claimed to be a hero and has gone out of his way to state that he has no desire to be a hero so therefore I don’t hold him to the same standards.
So I treat Dark Swan the same way I treat Dark Hook. I don’t hold the actions against them bc the darkness was trying to control them. So in this case, that was not the Emma we know who tried to kill Belle with the Merida Bear. And Rumple wasn’t risking anything. He just needed to drop some of his blood into the water to create a portal. He just didn’t want to do it.
By that logic then, Rumple shouldn’t be held accountable for any of his actions because he’s the dark one and the “darkness” is trying to control him.
Exactly. Precisely why it’s not Emma’s job to tell Belle that her husband to back the DO power. Belle is not really a close friend to Emma. It’s not like her father, or Hook, or Snow, or Henry, or Regina. The fact that she doesn’t care about Belle is precisely why she doesn’t need to tell her anything. She’s not “using” somebody she’s barely friends with. She’s using her husband to get him to do a simple task with zero life risk.
Given the amount of times Emma and co have run to Belle for assistance, they really should be considering her a friend. The fact they don’t reflects badly on them as they just use Belle as and when they see fit. Hook treats Belle with more respect than Emma does and Hook started as a villain.
As to the “zero life risk”, Robin would disagree with you. This wasn’t a simple case of Rumple just opening a portal and saying “see you later”, Rumple had to go to the Underworld too.
He should absolutely feel annoyed. But him of all people should understand what darkness does to people. And Emma came to him when she no longer had the darkness inside her. He should have recognized that and helped her without Emma needing to blackmail him.
Emma blackmailing him without the darkness makes her look even worse. She is toying with the emotions of an innocent woman who has helped her out several times, all so she can get what she wants.
And Emma has done stuff for Belle too. It’s not like she snubs her constantly.
Only when it suits her which is the majority of the time. Emma only has time for Belle when she wants her to research something.
As I recall, Hook, of all people, has done more for Belle than the entire Snowing scoobygang combined, Emma included. I don’t recall a single interaction between Belle and Emma where Emma wasn’t either using Belle for leverage, putting her in danger, or not giving her the time of day. I think we can safely say that Belle is not in Emma’s clique by any stretch of the imagination, and Emma will happily throw her under the bus if it serves her needs.
Agreed. Hook was the one to actually offer Belle a place to stay when she came into Granny’s looking for a room. Emma was just “you don’t want to stay here” and that was it, no offer or recommendation of alternative accommodation. Season 1 Emma would have tried to help Belle out, season 6 Emma doesn’t give a monkey’s backside about anyone outside her little family unit.
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Keeper of FelixRG, there seems to be an issue when it comes to editing posts.
So I treat Dark Swan the same way I treat Dark Hook. I don’t hold the actions against them bc the darkness was trying to control them. So in this case, that was not the Emma we know who tried to kill Belle with the Merida Bear. And Rumple wasn’t risking anything. He just needed to drop some of his blood into the water to create a portal. He just didn’t want to do it.
By that logic then, Rumple shouldn’t be held accountable for any of his actions because he’s the dark one and the “darkness” is trying to control him.
Exactly. Precisely why it’s not Emma’s job to tell Belle that her husband to back the DO power. Belle is not really a close friend to Emma. It’s not like her father, or Hook, or Snow, or Henry, or Regina. The fact that she doesn’t care about Belle is precisely why she doesn’t need to tell her anything. She’s not “using” somebody she’s barely friends with. She’s using her husband to get him to do a simple task with zero life risk.
Given the amount of times Emma and co have run to Belle for assistance, they really should be considering her a friend. The fact they don’t reflects badly on them as they just use Belle as and when they see fit. Hook treats Belle with more respect than Emma does and Hook started as a villain.
As to the “zero life risk”, Robin would disagree with you. This wasn’t a simple case of Rumple just opening a portal and saying “see you later”, Rumple had to go to the Underworld too.
He should absolutely feel annoyed. But him of all people should understand what darkness does to people. And Emma came to him when she no longer had the darkness inside her. He should have recognized that and helped her without Emma needing to blackmail him.
Emma blackmailing him without the darkness makes her look even worse. She is toying with the emotions of an innocent woman who has helped her out several times, all so she can get what she wants.
And Emma has done stuff for Belle too. It’s not like she snubs her constantly.
Only when it suits her which is the majority of the time. Emma only has time for Belle when she wants her to research something.
As I recall, Hook, of all people, has done more for Belle than the entire Snowing scoobygang combined, Emma included. I don’t recall a single interaction between Belle and Emma where Emma wasn’t either using Belle for leverage, putting her in danger, or not giving her the time of day. I think we can safely say that Belle is not in Emma’s clique by any stretch of the imagination, and Emma will happily throw her under the bus if it serves her needs.
Agreed. Hook was the one to actually offer Belle a place to stay when she came into Granny’s looking for a room. Emma was just “you don’t want to stay here” and that was it, no offer or recommendation of alternative accommodation. Season 1 Emma would have tried to help Belle out, season 6 Emma doesn’t give a monkey’s backside about anyone outside her little family unit.
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Keeper of FelixRG, there seems to be an issue when it comes to editing posts.
Such as? I’ve not noticed anything on my end so can you elaborate?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"and dark. It’s very mythological.
Yes, exactly. A few years ago on this site I theorized that the light and darkness (perhaps the two fairies) were born at the same time. It also happens to tie in the Jeckyl and Hyde theme.
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I still think Blue and Black are actual sisters, born two halves of the same whole of something, like Ying and Yang.
That’s an interesting theory. Are you thinking “two fairies born of the same laugh” kind of thing? Perhaps if that’s the case, the black fairy and the blue fairy can sense each other’s presence, hence why: a) The blue fairy knew to go to Bae and try and convince him to leave with Rumple (the black fairy’s son and grandson) b) Why the black fairy knew blue had Gideon c) why the black fairy wanted blue out of the way so she couldn’t warn anyone that the black fairy was in Storybrooke.
Quotesome good points!
And, if we remember’s Snow’s lesson, every action has an equal and opposite reaction, the two of them being able to sense each other would make sense (not only because they are the same person/born of the same laughter/two halves of the same something).
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