April 14, 2017 at 9:03 am #336074PriceofMagicParticipant[adrotate group="5"]
All magic comes with a price!Keeper of FelixApril 14, 2017 at 9:34 am #336076RumplesGirlKeymaster
RG, there seems to be an issue when it comes to editing posts.
Such as? I’ve not noticed anything on my end so can you elaborate?
When I post the original post it appears in the thread, but then if I edit that post and click submit, it then disappears from the thread.
Hm. That’s fairly odd since it’s not happening to me–is anyone else having this problem?"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"April 14, 2017 at 9:46 am #336082thedarkonedearieParticipant
I think the biggest problem of all of it is first that Emma is a worse person now then she was when the show began and second that the show uses the heroes and villains dialogue. That should never have been a thing.
Completely agree. They painted these characters into corners so now when they act like people who make mistakes, we hound them bc that’s not hero like. If Emma wasn’t being called The Savior, or a hero, you wouldn’t take issue as much with some of the things she’s done. However, bc she is called The Savior and a hero, when she does do things specific to being a Savior, I want to see some props for this woman.
By that logic then, Rumple shouldn’t be held accountable for any of his actions because he’s the dark one and the “darkness” is trying to control him.
Well I do definitely have an asterisk next to Rumple. But what separates him from others is his incessant need to keep his power, or take back his power. Hook was able to fight it finally and do the right thing in the end. Emma fought it. But Rumple doesn’t. Do I hold him accountable? Yes absolutely. Does this feel like a double edged sword bc I don’t hold Hook and Emma accountable……yup starting to feel like it haha.April 14, 2017 at 9:57 am #336085sciencevsmagicParticipant
Hm. That’s fairly odd since it’s not happening to me–is anyone else having this problem?
It’s happened to me, several times, starting maybe a couple of months ago. Another thing that sometimes happens is that when I edit my post, the edit is not applied.April 14, 2017 at 4:47 pm #336112SlurpeezParticipant
All I could think of when the giant spider was going to kill Emma was, “Don’t eat Frodo!” It was a call back to LOTR.
nevermore wrote: Anyway, all of this would be just fine, as long as we, the audience, don’t buy into the in-universe hero/villain ideology. It’s just another example of OUAT’s confusion about whether villains/heroes is an in-universe “culture”, or an out-of-universe meta narrative. If it’s ideology, as the show seems to be hinting with Gideon this season, then all we can do is measure Emma by in-universe standards. One problematic thing is that heroes in the show get to decide who is and is not a villain/hero, and deciding that those associated villainy are, by and large, less-than-human and disposable.
@nevermore: As usual, I think you’ve found the real crux of the issue. This show cannot make up its mind if villains are made or born. Just look at Cruella — she had been clinically insane since her childhood when she killed her dad. That sounds pretty evil to me, and it sounds like she was born that way. Yet, Gideon clearly isn’t evil by nature since he wanted to do good and to be a hero.
Also, if most (but not all) villains aren’t born but made, what about saviors? Isn’t the real reason that Emma is a savior because she was born of true love and Rumple added a drop of her parents’ love to the dark curse parchment? In other words, is Emma “The Savior” because of her own choices, destiny, or some odd blend of both? She was born magical, yet she also supposedly had the greatest potential for darkness (until her parents put it into Lily – stupidest plot twist ever). That brings up the Charmings. As Rumple said, they see things in black and white. Snow and Emma threatened to murder Gideon, despite knowing he’d been corrupted by the Black Fairy! How is that heroic? It’s also a huge double standard since both gave Regina and Hook a second, or even a third, or fourth chance. Both Regina and Hook are guilty of trying to kill Emma and her family, so what gives? Why is Emma so set against Gideon but not Hook or Regina? I know Gideon tried to kill her, but so did they!
What is the show’s message? Yes, sometimes people do bad things because they had horrible upbringings or were abandoned. We get it! But what makes people do good things? Rumple said the Charmings only see the world in black and white, and it clearly gets in the way of their ability to see clearly. So is belief in and hope and good really admirable if it blinds the so-called heroes and makes them act like fools and hypocrites? Rumple is a much more interesting character because at least he sees the world clearly. He is addicted to dark magic, but he doesn’t want his son to be that way, and he clearly loves the goodness in Belle’s heart. Rumple also wanted to spare Baelfire from the darkness as well. Rumple and Regina do the hard things that no one else really does on this show, as they did in Going Home. No wonder the fans love the so-called villains, who’ve killed loads of people, on this show more than the so-called heroes. It’s indeed ridiculous.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal CassidyApril 14, 2017 at 5:47 pm #336119hjbauParticipant
I pretty much can’t stand any of the villains on this show. Regina has grown on me, but i still think that Regina, Rumpel, and Hook should all be in jail or be dead. They shouldn’t be interacting with the family and especially with Henry. The heroes all seem insane because they forgive people to a fault. Yeah, they said some nasty things to Gideon in this episode, but nothing is going to come of any of this. Emma is going to find out he is being controlled and Gideon will be fine. Everyone will forgive everyone for all the would be murder attempts and Gideon will probably be turned back into a baby and it will all be good.
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