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She’s upset bc he deceived her, left her for dead and TRIED TO KILL HER TWICE.
First of all, the shop scene was before Gideon deceived her it was right after he told her that he was being abused by the black fairy, needed her help to save 100’s of children, and that Hook was not hurt just away. She then decided to go to the shop with dear old mom who should have been filled in about all this with Emma and said that your son has a death wish and I am happy to fulfill it. Your son is using Hook as a bargaining chip. This is my problem, she has used Belle very recently as a bargaining chip and therefore is being a hypocrite and blackmailing Rumple was not very “hero” like.
She’s upset bc he deceived her, left her for dead and TRIED TO KILL HER TWICE. And separated her from Hook. You’re making it seem like what Gideon has done is minor. If someone tried to kill you twice and sent away the person you loved and deceived you after they said they were good, would you just do what Rumbelle is telling you? Do what the Dark One is telling you, someone who would protect his son no matter what he was doing. Of course not. You would defend yourself and try and get rid of them.
Well by this reasoning, Rumple is completely justified in killing Emma and Hook. If I am not mistaken Emma tried to kill Belle on several different occasions, and imprisoned Rumple while she was the dark one, and then lets not forget sending Rumple away from Belle to the underworld by blackmailing him (while she was not the dark one). Hook has tried to kill Belle and Rumple on several different occasions. Rumple has every right to protect his son from Emma who has made it very obvious in the last couple of seasons that Rumple and Belle are not in her “family” and therefore do not deserve her protection. Emma has become a “savior” when it effects only the ones she loves.
Exactly!! But the show TELLS us that Emma and Snow are the heroes and Rumple and Gideon are the villains so we need to be on Emma and Snow’s side even though they act exactly like Tumple and Gideon.
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This is my problem, she has used Belle very recently as a bargaining chip and therefore is being a hypocrite and blackmailing Rumple was not very “hero” like.
What is “hero” like? Let’s all sit down and have a cup of tea and discuss your son who keeps attempting to stick a sword into me? I understand that it might not seem like the most “light” thing to do, but seriously, this isn’t a normal situation to be in. Just because Emma is a hero does not mean that she should just stand there and wait for Gideon to kill her. And she may sound hypocritical – but why is that an issue? Everyone on that show has been a hypocrite at some point. I am sure we all have been as well. The world is not black and white.
Exactly!! But the show TELLS us that Emma and Snow are the heroes and Rumple and Gideon are the villains so we need to be on Emma and Snow’s side even though they act exactly like Tumple and Gideon.
None of the characters in that scene were painted in a bad light IMO. I could get on board with Belle seeing the best in her son, in Rumple wanting to protect him, in Emma wanting to protect herself and in Snow wanting to protect her daughter. They are four adults. They are more than just Heroes and Villains, and all the connotations that come with those labels.
Here’s something a true hero would say:
” I understand that situation we’re in is complicated, but your son has tried to kill ne and sent Hook away. He has told me about this black fairy that he needs to stop and I came to you in order to understand who he is talking about. We need to work together to understand what Gideon wants so nobody would get hurt again. How can we do this?”
"All your questions are pointless"
Well by this reasoning, Rumple is completely justified in killing Emma and Hook. If I am not mistaken Emma tried to kill Belle on several different occasions, and imprisoned Rumple while she was the dark one, and then lets not forget sending Rumple away from Belle to the underworld by blackmailing him (while she was not the dark one). Hook has tried to kill Belle and Rumple on several different occasions. Rumple has every right to protect his son from Emma who has made it very obvious in the last couple of seasons that Rumple and Belle are not in her “family” and therefore do not deserve her protection. Emma has become a “savior” when it effects only the ones she loves.
Well I never said that Rumple isn’t justified in what he is saying either. He should have threatened her back. My only issue is with people that said Emma was wrong for doing the threatening. I think they both have to look out for each other and each other’s loved ones and Gideon is a wild card. It makes perfect sense for them both to act the way they are acting.
Exactly!! But the show TELLS us that Emma and Snow are the heroes and Rumple and Gideon are the villains so we need to be on Emma and Snow’s side even though they act exactly like Tumple and Gideon.
Oh I’m sorry. Did Emma try and kill Gideon twice? Did Emma murder hundreds of people as the DO? Did Emma trick everyone to get the DO one power back? Did Emma treat Hook with such disrespect as Rumple does with Belle? Has she ever threatened Hook like Rumple threatens Belle? Has Emma and Snow sucked all of Blue Fairy’s power away? The show is portraying them as villains bc they are doing horrible things. You cannot compare them to the story and what’s happening right now. To say they act exactly like Rumple and Gideon is asinine.
None of the characters in that scene were painted in a bad light IMO. I could get on board with Belle seeing the best in her son, in Rumple wanting to protect him, in Emma wanting to protect herself and in Snow wanting to protect her daughter. They are four adults. They are more than just Heroes and Villains, and all the connotations that come with those labels.
THIS. I felt exactly the same way. I don’t blame anyone for the way they acted. All were justified.
I understand that situation we’re in is complicated, but your son has tried to kill ne and sent Hook away. He has told me about this black fairy that he needs to stop and I came to you in order to understand who he is talking about. We need to work together to understand what Gideon wants so nobody would get hurt again. How can we do this?”
Seriously? She already did this. The first time around when she agreed to give Gideon another chance. And Rumple explained to her why the Black Fairy is so horrible and how she’s his mother. They already had this conversation haha. It’s why she agreed to help him take down the Black Fairy. But now, he deceived her and left her for dead. So the conversation this time is going to be a little more heightened. Don’t you think that makes sense? If they didn’t have this conversation beforehand, I’d agree with you. But at some point, enough is enough. And deep down, Rumple knows his son is awful (even though he’s not but he has to be thinking it) bc he saw first hand what Gideon did and he saved Emma. He didn’t have to save her.
Well by this reasoning, Rumple is completely justified in killing Emma and Hook. If I am not mistaken Emma tried to kill Belle on several different occasions, and imprisoned Rumple while she was the dark one, and then lets not forget sending Rumple away from Belle to the underworld by blackmailing him (while she was not the dark one). Hook has tried to kill Belle and Rumple on several different occasions. Rumple has every right to protect his son from Emma who has made it very obvious in the last couple of seasons that Rumple and Belle are not in her “family” and therefore do not deserve her protection. Emma has become a “savior” when it effects only the ones she loves.
Well I never said that Rumple isn’t justified in what he is saying either. He should have threatened her back. My only issue is with people that said Emma was wrong for doing the threatening. I think they both have to look out for each other and each other’s loved ones and Gideon is a wild card. It makes perfect sense for them both to act the way they are acting.
Exactly!! But the show TELLS us that Emma and Snow are the heroes and Rumple and Gideon are the villains so we need to be on Emma and Snow’s side even though they act exactly like Tumple and Gideon.
Oh I’m sorry. Did Emma try and kill Gideon twice? Did Emma murder hundreds of people as the DO? Did Emma trick everyone to get the DO one power back? Did Emma treat Hook with such disrespect as Rumple does with Belle? Has she ever threatened Hook like Rumple threatens Belle? Has Emma and Snow sucked all of Blue Fairy’s power away? The show is portraying them as villains bc they are doing horrible things. You cannot compare them to the story and what’s happening right now. To say they act exactly like Rumple and Gideon is asinine.
Emma tried to kill Belle,an innocent by making Merida, another innocent, do it by controlling her heart (and then it was swept under the rug and no one mentioned it anymore cause).
The characters are inconsistent and we try to analyse then but we can’t because the show change their personality according to what they want to do this episode. One episode will have Emma/Rumple/anyone do the most heroic thing, the next they are shady as the blue fairy so… I don’t know if there is a point to this argument anymore.
Let’s just go with what the show tells us and that’s Emma hero, Rumple villain even if they don’t act like that.
"All your questions are pointless"
What is “hero” like? Let’s all sit down and have a cup of tea and discuss your son who keeps attempting to stick a sword into me? I understand that it might not seem like the most “light” thing to do, but seriously, this isn’t a normal situation to be in. Just because Emma is a hero does not mean that she should just stand there and wait for Gideon to kill her.
How about coming into the shop and saying “Hey Gold and Belle why is your son trying to kill me? Who is the black fairy, and how can we help the 100’s of abused kids?” That would be a good conversation starter instead of hey I am going to kill your son and my mom is going to help. I am not saying that Emma should wait for Gideon to kill her my problem is that right after she punched Gideon he told her what was going on and that he needed her help she then went to Gold and threatened his life. This is NOT an appropriate way to handle the situation right after Gideon told her what was going on.
And she may sound hypocritical
She does not sound hypocritical she WAS hypocritical.
The world is not black and white.
Exactly what Rumple said when he told Belle not to listen to Emma and Snow, your right the world is not black and white not everything is what it seems and just becasue Emma assumes the Gideon is evil does not make him so.
She does not sound hypocritical she WAS hypocritical.
Then she was hypocritical. Who hasn’t been on this show? I don’t see why that makes her a terrible person. If she was going in to sit down and have tea and crumpets with Belle and Rumple to discuss the issue then people would be questioning if she was Jafar in disguise. This is Emma’s character. Impulsive, emotional, driven, flawed…. This is who she has been for the whole series.
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