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Honestly, I felt like she was joking.
I also took it as a “sarcastic” “snarky” “Emma” type comment. It certainly isn’t the first time that she has said something like this. She didn’t storm in there saying “I am going to kill Gideon – where is he?!”. She was basically saying to Rumple and Belle in a roundabout way that they need to rein him in. She primarily went there to ask questions, which she did.
[adrotate group="5"]Honestly, I felt like she was joking.
I also took it as a “sarcastic” “snarky” “Emma” type comment. It certainly isn’t the first time that she has said something like this. She didn’t storm in there saying “I am going to kill Gideon – where is he?!”. She was basically saying to Rumple and Belle in a roundabout way that they need to rein him in. She primarily went there to ask questions, which she did.
I’m not sure this is the best thing to joke about though–first because she’s “joking” to the parents who lost their child (something Emma knows about) and missed out on seeing him grow up (again, something Emma knows about) and also especially since her “defense” for the joke is “he took my boyfriend” which in the grand scheme of one up-man-ship is lame sauce.
Now Emma has a bit more skin in the game but what really annoys me here is Snow White who isn’t getting the same level of analysis as her daughter. Since when does Snow White joke about killing an abused kid? And frankly after her guilt trip in regards to what she and hubby Charming did to Lily, the idea that she’s putting her family and her desire above another child is really disquieting. Remember the end of the baby snatching episode? She and Charming spoke about trying to find grace because they knew what they did was flat out wrong. And yet, here’s Snow saying–joking or otherwise–that she’ll help Emma kill Gideon.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I don’t think they were “joking”. Do I think Emma was going out right then and there to kill Gideon, no but she was sure making a threat which was uncool after what she had just learned. Snow is not getting as much attention because I think we all have seen this attitude in Snow before. Snow has always been a little self righteous about everything that does not concern her family or friends. I guess that is my main problem, our heroes now are very self righteous and self centered. Emma did not use to be this way but she sure has been for some time now. I also feel like the heroes get a pass for bad actions because they are heroes where our villains are held for every action that they take.
Honestly, I felt like she was joking.
I also took it as a “sarcastic” “snarky” “Emma” type comment. It certainly isn’t the first time that she has said something like this. She didn’t storm in there saying “I am going to kill Gideon – where is he?!”. She was basically saying to Rumple and Belle in a roundabout way that they need to rein him in. She primarily went there to ask questions, which she did.
I’m not sure this is the best thing to joke about though–first because she’s “joking” to the parents who lost their child (something Emma knows about) and missed out on seeing him grow up (again, something Emma knows about) and also especially since her “defense” for the joke is “he took my boyfriend” which in the grand scheme of one up-man-ship is lame sauce. Now Emma has a bit more skin in the game but what really annoys me here is Snow White who isn’t getting the same level of analysis as her daughter. Since when does Snow White joke about killing an abused kid? And frankly after her guilt trip in regards to what she and hubby Charming did to Lily, the idea that she’s putting her family and her desire above another child is really disquieting. Remember the end of the baby snatching episode? She and Charming spoke about trying to find grace because they knew what they did was flat out wrong. And yet, here’s Snow saying–joking or otherwise–that she’ll help Emma kill Gideon.
People crack jokes at inappropriate times. It is a pretty awkward situation for all involved. That being said, I don’t really view it as a joke as such, but more of a veiled warning that she is getting towards the end of her tether with the situation. She walks into that shop wanting to try and diffuse a situation that has caused her a lot of upset. In the scene with Gideon she was a mess. In this scene she behaves differently. She seems to act more like “Sheriff Emma”, in that she is here on business – to get answers so that she can try and fix the situation.
To be fair to Snow, we don’t know what she does and doesn’t know about the situation. She wasn’t there for the conversation with Gideon, and she certainly seems to exhibit a change of tone (as does Emma) when Rumple and Belle explain Gideon’s situation. If Snow had been equipped with all of the details then maybe we could have had a scene outside the shop where she takes Emma to one side and reminds her to be sensitive to Belle and Rumple’s recent loss.
PS – there seems to be much more reaction to the “threat” on this forum than there was on Belle’s face.
People crack jokes at inappropriate times. It is a pretty awkward situation for all involved.
Yeah if this was real life, but this is a show where the writers are trying to convey a message to us. I took the message as Emma does not care about Rumple and Belle’s child and neither does Snow.
To be fair to Snow, we don’t know what she does and doesn’t know about the situation. She wasn’t there for the conversation with Gideon, and she certainly seems to exhibit a change of tone (as does Emma) when Rumple and Belle explain Gideon’s situation. If Snow had been equipped with all of the details then maybe we could have had a scene outside the shop where she takes Emma to one side and reminds her to be sensitive to Belle and Rumple’s recent loss.
Nope not buying that one. I know we didn’t see the conversation but it has to be implied that Emma would tell Snow about her conversation with Gideon.
She walks into that shop wanting to try and diffuse a situation that has caused her a lot of upset. In the scene with Gideon she was a mess. In this scene she behaves differently. She seems to act more like “Sheriff Emma”, in that she is here on business – to get answers so that she can try and fix the situation.
She storms into the building and demands answers; I personally don’t consider that very Sheriff Swan of her. Sheriff Swan was the woman who wouldn’t let Sydney use “fruit of the poisonous tree” (her words) evidence against Regina. Sheriff Swan was the woman who saw Rumple beating a man and, after stopping Rumple, asked what she could do to help the woman Rumple claimed Moe hurt.
Angry super emotional Emma is the one who burst into Rumple’s shop in S1 and said “maybe I don’t need magic. Maybe I just need to punch you in the face.” That’s what the writers were going for here; I honestly get that. They know that’s a fan favorite line but the contexts of the two situations are totally different. In the first, Emma is trying to save her dying child (again, all of this knowledge about parents and children should be part of Emma’s approach to Rumbelle) and she is going to a man who can provide answers but who does not have any emotional investment in the outcome (she does not know about Nealfire at this point). In the second, Emma is trying to bring Hook home and is demanding answers from the parents of the boy who just told Emma about the way the Black Fairy raised him and others. Hook is alive and making his way home to Emma; she knows this.
She wasn’t there for the conversation with Gideon, and she certainly seems to exhibit a change of tone (as does Emma) when Rumple and Belle explain Gideon’s situation.
Even if Snow didn’t know the ins and outs of Gideon’s childhood, she still knows that he’s Rumple and Belle’s child and honestly that’s all that needs to be said. Gideon is someone’s child; a child of the Charmings friends/family. This isn’t the first time one of the Charmings have declared to one of Gideon’s parents that his life has less value than their own. While AKA is right that they’ve always been self-righteous, we’ve also seen that the dragon-baby incident left a mark that was supposed to have made them reconsider their stances.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Yeah if this was real life, but this is a show where the writers are trying to convey a message to us. I took the message as Emma does not care about Rumple and Belle’s child and neither does Snow.
And I took the message as Emma is fed up of someone trying to kill her and having her loved ones pulled into different realms.
Nope not buying that one. I know we didn’t see the conversation but it has to be implied that Emma would tell Snow about her conversation with Gideon.
Why does that have to be implied? Then it could be implied that Snow talked to Emma and told her to go easy, but Emma felt that this approach might shake Belle and Rumple out of their denial about their son and his intentions. Who knows what happens off screen?
PS – there seems to be much more reaction to the “threat” on this forum than there was on Belle’s face.
Sure. I’ll give you that one. I also think Belle is less of a real character and more of a prop who is simply used in a scene to flesh it out as either part of Rumple’s damnation/redemption or to give her Google information. She obviously has to be there for this scene because she’s Gideon’s mother. To not have her there is odd. But the writers do so little for Belle that of course she’s given no emotional reaction to Emma and Snow. She’s a prop here, not someone who’s allowed to act in any sort of human way.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Sure. I’ll give you that one. I also think Belle is less of a real character and more of a prop who is simply used in a scene to flesh it out as either part of Rumple’s damnation/redemption or to give her Google information. She obviously has to be there for this scene because she’s Gideon’s mother. To not have her there is odd. But the writers do so little for Belle that of course she’s given no emotional reaction to Emma and Snow. She’s a prop here, not someone who’s allowed to act in any sort of human way.
Agreed.
Why does that have to be implied? Then it could be implied that Snow talked to Emma and told her to go easy, but Emma felt that this approach might shake Belle and Rumple out of their denial about their son and his intentions. Who knows what happens off screen?
If Emma did not tell Snow about the conversation with Gideon then Emma set Snow up to be on her side without all the facts. I am giving Emma more credit than that. I mean you don’t tell someone only half a story and then have them go with you to confront the people involved with out all the facts, at least I wouldn’t. That is just wrong. So I would assume that Emma told Snow about her conversation with Gideon and they both decided and go and confront Rumple and Belle about this and then for some horrible reason started the conversation out with a death threat.
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