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People crack jokes at inappropriate times.
They do, don’t they? Next time the local law enforcement representative cracks a joke about carrying out an extra-judicial execution and/or revenge killing, I’ll make sure I remember to laugh…
So on a less uncomfortably horrified note, I think I’m with you on the heroism part. I don’t know if Emma’s being unheroic. The idea that the hero of a fairytale (which is what OUAT’s self-presentation is) is this saccharine, non-violent, compassionate, rational being seems to me to be a pretty recent, Disney interpretation. Most of the mythological canon we know is full of horrid, duplicitous, impulsive, rape&pillage “heroic” types, whose heroism is precisely the result of their horridness and successful duplicity, it’s just that the story is written such that they are on the audience’s team, as it were. I think here OUAT is trying to come back to the theme that heroes are not always 100% good, and villains are not a 100% evil, and that this is a naive simplifcation — though the writing is lumpy and cringe-worthy. Where this gets dicey is with the status they’ve give Emma — she is “The Savior”, and it’s hard not to take it in its Christian connotation of compassion and self-sacrifice, considering the audience’s likely cultural baggage. Or the fact that she’s the Sheriff.
There’s always been 2 themes to Emma. Walls TM, and her tendency to emotionally fixate. We’re done with Walls TM, so now we’re on the second issue. Emma’s psychological neediness, which focused mostly on her parents in the first couple of seasons, and later transferred to Hook, seems to be the current core of her character. If you notice her voice work in this episode it sounds an awful lot like Dark Swan, and I suspect that’s on purpose. There is a ton of moments in the writing where Emma reframes her own anxieties and problems in relation to Hook (often at her own expense), like that line about robbing him of his happy ending if she dies — and to be fair, that’s not on Hook, that’s because the shape of Emma’s emotional attachment is extremely, absurdly insecure.
But that’s not the same question as heroic/unheroic.
[adrotate group="5"]She storms into the building and demands answers; I personally don’t consider that very Sheriff Swan of her.
In Emma’s defense, it’s the only way to get things done in Storybrooke. The town doesn’t seem to have a justice system like we’d recognize, just a couple of official thugs, a drunk tank, and a mental hospital for making inconvenient people disappear. Now that Isaac is gone, Emma and Lily are the only immigrants who grew up in the real world, and Emma’s been in Storybrooke long enough to acclimate.
This reminds me of how the Cylons initially played at being a human society when they took over Caprica but then found they didn’t much like it. Give Storybrooke a few more years, and it’ll either fall apart completely or it’ll fill out those facades and become like the outside world.
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5/10 Rubbish. Utter nonsense.
-Hypocrisy from Snow and Emma.
-Emma not poofing out of the house to get away from the spider and the spider’s web.
-And boring. Just boring.
However…
I still think Blue and Black are actual sisters, born two halves of the same whole of something, like Ying and Yang.
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Well why do you think she was able to use Rumple? She was able to blackmail him by saying that she would run immediately to Belle and tell her that he was the dark one again. This was information that Belle had every right to know and would have been great if Emma was “savior” enough to let her know, but instead she decided to manipulate Rumple to go to the underworld and leave Belle in the dark in fact USING Belle.
Yeah I just completely disagree with you on this. She didn’t use Belle. She blackmailed Rumple. It’s not her business or her job to tell Rumple’s wife what Rumple is doing. Belle had every right to know, but RUmple should be the one telling her, not Emma. And if Rumple is too much of a coward to tell her himself, then Emma used that against him to get him to help. Was that selfish? Yeah perhaps. But I definitely don’t view it as Emma “using” Belle.
I also took it as a “sarcastic” “snarky” “Emma” type comment. It certainly isn’t the first time that she has said something like this. She didn’t storm in there saying “I am going to kill Gideon – where is he?!”. She was basically saying to Rumple and Belle in a roundabout way that they need to rein him in. She primarily went there to ask questions, which she did.
And this is how I felt as well. People are taking her comments too literally in that scene. She has said snarky stuff like this all the time. It doesn’t mean she ever acts on them. She was annoyed and she had every right to be.
Since when does Snow White joke about killing an abused kid?
Now this I agree with. Emma’s comment, to me, felt off hand, and snarky and in character. She obviously wouldn’t have killed Gideon after what he told her, but she was fed up and it showed. But Snow, chiming in with what she said right after, was ridiculous, forced, and massively out of character. It’s like they wanted to show Snow defending her daughter and standing up for her but wrote the worst line possible.
I still think Blue and Black are actual sisters, born two halves of the same whole of something, like Ying and Yang.
That’s an interesting theory. Are you thinking “two fairies born of the same laugh” kind of thing?
Perhaps if that’s the case, the black fairy and the blue fairy can sense each other’s presence, hence why:
a) The blue fairy knew to go to Bae and try and convince him to leave with Rumple (the black fairy’s son and grandson)
b) Why the black fairy knew blue had Gideon
c) why the black fairy wanted blue out of the way so she couldn’t warn anyone that the black fairy was in Storybrooke.Well why do you think she was able to use Rumple? She was able to blackmail him by saying that she would run immediately to Belle and tell her that he was the dark one again. This was information that Belle had every right to know and would have been great if Emma was “savior” enough to let her know, but instead she decided to manipulate Rumple to go to the underworld and leave Belle in the dark in fact USING Belle.
Yeah I just completely disagree with you on this. She didn’t use Belle. She blackmailed Rumple. It’s not her business or her job to tell Rumple’s wife what Rumple is doing. Belle had every right to know, but RUmple should be the one telling her, not Emma. And if Rumple is too much of a coward to tell her himself, then Emma used that against him to get him to help. Was that selfish? Yeah perhaps. But I definitely don’t view it as Emma “using” Belle.
By that logic, it wasn’t Emma’s job to tell Charming that Hook killed Robert. But she did so because she couldn’t hold the information against Hook and use her father as a pawn to get Hook to do what she wanted. Emma used Belle.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI still think Blue and Black are actual sisters, born two halves of the same whole of something, like Ying and Yang.
I like that theory! Maybe they were born at the same time–light and dark. It’s very mythological.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"By that logic, it wasn’t Emma’s job to tell Charming that Hook killed Robert. But she did so because she couldn’t hold the information against Hook and use her father as a pawn to get Hook to do what she wanted. Emma used Belle.
Right, but Hook is her boyfriend. And Charming is her father. That’s different than Gold and Belle. And I also don’t think it was her place to tell Charming. I do think it was Hook’s. But since Hook left, she felt compelled to tell him. To me, that’s way different than using Rumple to get him to open the portal to the UW. And she only used Rumple bc he was being a jerk and refused to do it willingly. He could have just done her a solid when she asked him the first time nicely. To me, this has literally nothing to do with Belle. Let’s say you find out one of your best friends is getting cheated on by their significant other, and your friend doesn’t know, but you do. Is it your responsibility to tell your friend? My answer would be depends on how close you are to the friend. Belle is not even close to the same level as Charming is in relation to Emma. It makes sense that she would feel compelled to tell her father the secret bc A. it’s her father and B. her bf did it. Why does she need to tell Belle anything. It’s not her place to do that. And if you want to argue that Emma was being selfish by using Rumple against Belle, then that’s fair. I agree. But perhaps Rumple should have been a nice person and helped her before he was stuck in a corner.
I like that theory! Maybe they were born at the same time–light and dark. It’s very mythological.
Everyone is related on this show. I could get behind them being sisters. However, if they are sisters, I would think that Blue, with all her alleged power, could detect her sister using Gideon this whole time. Detect her presence in him if you will.
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