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As I said, for the time being I’ll keep watching. However, we, (the fans), really need to get into contact with Adam & Eddy, over social media or where ever, and let them know that the timeline stuff and no aging stuff needs to be explained, ASAP.
They’ve been quoted in a recent article saying that it will all make sense by the end of the season (although I fear that for a lot of people, that will be too late).
Nice save I was about to add if anybody will still be watching by the end of the season.
[adrotate group="5"]Compared to those ideas the WishRealm Hook idea really is the better option. I know it’s not ideal, but the time-traveling thing and the clone thing and impostor thing would have been a million times worse. So basically we ended up with the best of a bad choice. So that’s something.
True, they really had no options that would actually make sense. As annoyed as I am by the ridiculousness of how we got to this place, I am frankly glad to have a NewHook. Back in S2, when he first showed up, I liked the character. He seemed complex, and dark, and flawed, with an emotionally charged history with Rumple and Bae, and I was looking forward to what they were gonna do with him. Then they ended up ignoring his darker elements so they could simplify him into a woobie puppy who followed the female lead around. They barely even gave him anything to do in Neverland. Captain Hook was given barely any story when they spent half a freaking season in Neverland!!! As with SO MANY characters and stories and elements in this show, they squandered a great opportunity to do something really interesting. So now we have NewHook, who said that his story was the same as the Hook we knew, up until the point where in his realm Regina’s Curse didn’t happen. They’ve basically hit the re-set button on Hook. All that history with Rumple, all his time in Neverland, apparently still happened, but we’re getting a do-over from the time of the Curse. And as someone who was underwhelmed by their first attempt at the character, I’m actually curious to see if they have something more interesting planned this time around.
You mean for the one season they get of this flop reboot before they’re cancelled? I doubt that especially when they have to rush towards an ending.
They were not confirmed to be true love’s on the show ever, but you are not going to change my mind and i am not going to change your mind, so let’s just let that be.
It isn’t a matter of opinion. It was said on the show multiple times, and stated. Whether you choose to accept it or not is up to you.
Firebird, Season 5 Episode 20. Confirmed true love when they went to open the doors in the Underworld to get ambrosia.
Except that is not true. That just confirmed that Emma had true love in her which we already knew because she had true love with Henry. She is also the savior. Cora couldn’t pull her heart because of the true love in it. That wasn’t new information and had nothing to do with Hook.
I completely agree that this is not a matter of opinion. They were not confirmed true love in the show. They never had a magical object pass through curses and they never had a magical kiss. It is what it is. I don’t care if people think otherwise. No one is changing my mind about this and i am not going to change your mind, so let’s just leave it at that.
They are done anyways. It is over. Let’s leave it be.
I thought it was weird that they didn’t say the names of Henry’s fake wife and daughter whose graves he is looking for. That scene was just really awkward. The way Henry asked for Hook’s help and then Hook said yes and just walked off was really awkward and i don’t know if the writers just didn’t want to think of names for Henry’s fake family or if there is something else about that information that is important. It was just really awkward.
Magic Beans…they’re everywhere! I guess Tiny and the dwarves must’ve finally found a way to grow those things by the bushel because they are evidently cheap and easy to find now. And if they’re so easy to find and use now…why hasn’t anyone been in touch with Henry? It sounded like this was the first time they’d seen him in ‘many years’ yet he was only a bean-ride away all that time?
Henry and Rumple – One of my biggest gripes with Once is how they almost totally ignore the ties between Henry and Rumple. Even as an adult Henry is acting like Emma, Regina, Snow/Charming, and to a lesser extent Hook are his only family. As Baelfire said back in season 3 ‘family meant something to dear old dad’ so why do they write the show as if Rumple doesn’t give a hoot about Henry and vice versa?
About Hook and Milah – were they really true loves? I don’t think there was ever solid proof of that and let us not forget that most cringy of lines… “You lasted longer than I expected. If you’d fought me with such vigor back in the day, I might have returned your wife to you. Soiled…but returned” (Hook to Rumple in season 5, ‘Broken Heart’). Granted that’s just one quote from when Hook was The Dark One (for a hot minute) and I’m sure someone who really wanted to could compile a list of every time Hook has referenced Milah to try and figure out how he really felt about her…but really when was the last time this show was consistent anyway? My take on Hook and Milah at the moment is that they were both unhappy selfish humans who found kindred spirits in each other. Sort of a Rumple and Cora thing. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her, but I think this ‘true love’ concept from Once seems like a higher less selfish love or something? Like Rumple would absolutely give his life for Baelfire and Belle (cause he did), Charming and Snow would give their lives for one another ect. …but would Hook? Would Milah? Has anyone ever really outlined what True Love really is in Once?
We have had Charming breaking Snow’s sleeping curse, Emma breaking the dark curse by kissing Henry, Belle (briefly) breaking Rumple’s curse… but we also had Hook’s dad being woken from a sleeping curse by the ‘true love’ of a stranger…. yeah that’s a thing that happened.
Regina and Henry – I love that Regina stays with Henry to help him on his quest. It makes total sense and it’s nice that something in this episode did.
Emma – she was basically wasted here. But that has been true for her in a lot of Once at this point. I hated her whole storyline in this episode. Not that there was that much there to begin with. Regina and Hook’s sad looks about Emma were nothing but death bait. But hey I guess pregnancy over forty can be dangerous. They could’ve at least made her 9 months pregnant or something where it would be reasonable to say she shouldn’t be jumping through magic bean holes right then.
(sigh) Wish Hook – OK so there are now two Regina’s living separate lives and two Hooks. Great. It’s not like there was a better choice to split, perhaps a delightfully quippy (and insane) little imp who might liven up some of these flashbacks perhaps? Kidding aside (if I was kidding) the ‘old rummy’ version of Hook was funny for a minute in the dream realm, but those double shots were painful to watch and this from someone who thought Emma’s wig looked just fine. The daughter subplot makes me worry that they’ll make Alice his missing daughter and ruin the fun of her being a Rumple or Jefferson descendant. I really hope this daughter is Rapunzel instead. The one good point in all of this is that now they have a real chance to reset Hook back to the fun version…and yet I sense they won’t. Captain Hook always worked best to me as a pirate. Not as a boyfriend or a husband or a father…but as a pirate. Dashing, flirty and nefarious, with an occasional good deed tossed in to keep him interesting.
By the way since saying Wish Realm wasn’t real at this point would be pointless, I’m adding the murders of Snow and Charming to Regina’s list. If WishHook and Wish Evil Queen were real alive people…so were the wish Charmings.
Overall this season is still a mess to me. The timelines are too vague. The characters ages are glossed over. Magic beans are growing on trees now. Would it really be so hard to put a firm date on things and say Henry met Cinderella five years after leaving home and to say Emma, Hook ect. aren’t any older because of magic whatsits and that Tiny’s bean-field had a bumper crop this year. Just the basics. And if Henry could at some point acknowledge and show some affection for his other grandpa and vice versa, I would truly appreciate it.
I’m still happy with new Henry though. Andrew J. West was a great casting choice and he is doing a fine job.
About Hook and Milah – were they really true loves? I don’t think there was ever solid proof of that and let us not forget that most cringy of lines… “You lasted longer than I expected. If you’d fought me with such vigor back in the day, I might have returned your wife to you. Soiled…but returned” (Hook to Rumple in season 5, ‘Broken Heart’). Granted that’s just one quote from when Hook was The Dark One (for a hot minute) and I’m sure someone who really wanted to could compile a list of every time Hook has referenced Milah to try and figure out how he really felt about her…but really when was the last time this show was consistent anyway? My take on Hook and Milah at the moment is that they were both unhappy selfish humans who found kindred spirits in each other. Sort of a Rumple and Cora thing. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her, but I think this ‘true love’ concept from Once seems like a higher less selfish love or something? Like Rumple would absolutely give his life for Baelfire and Belle (cause he did), Charming and Snow would give their lives for one another ect. …but would Hook? Would Milah? Has anyone ever really outlined what True Love really is in Once?
Wish Hook said that his life was the same as regular Hook until the curse was supposed to happen. So based on that, Milah still died. I’m guessing he found somebody else, after Regina failed to cast the curse, and he had his daughter with her.
About Hook and Milah – were they really true loves? I don’t think there was ever solid proof of that and let us not forget that most cringy of lines… “You lasted longer than I expected. If you’d fought me with such vigor back in the day, I might have returned your wife to you. Soiled…but returned” (Hook to Rumple in season 5, ‘Broken Heart’). Granted that’s just one quote from when Hook was The Dark One (for a hot minute) and I’m sure someone who really wanted to could compile a list of every time Hook has referenced Milah to try and figure out how he really felt about her…but really when was the last time this show was consistent anyway? My take on Hook and Milah at the moment is that they were both unhappy selfish humans who found kindred spirits in each other. Sort of a Rumple and Cora thing. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her, but I think this ‘true love’ concept from Once seems like a higher less selfish love or something? Like Rumple would absolutely give his life for Baelfire and Belle (cause he did), Charming and Snow would give their lives for one another ect. …but would Hook? Would Milah? Has anyone ever really outlined what True Love really is in Once?
Wish Hook said that his life was the same as regular Hook until the curse was supposed to happen. So based on that, Milah still died. I’m guessing he found somebody else, after Regina failed to cast the curse, and he had his daughter with her.
This is so strange to me, because while I get that Wish Realm Hook’s memories are the same up until that point, none of that actually happened to him because he didn’t exist until The wish was made creating the realm and it’s inhabitants.
This is so strange to me, because while I get that Wish Realm Hook’s memories are the same up until that point, none of that actually happened to him because he didn’t exist until The wish was made creating the realm and it’s inhabitants.
Yeah this is the big conundrum with the Wish Realm and how/when it was established. And actually those themes–what makes reality, our experiences or our memories even if those memories are false–would be seriously interesting to explore. Westworld is a prime example of how fantasy/scifi does that sort of naval gazing well. But OUAT is more like a bull in a china shop when it comes to compelling think pieces.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"About Hook and Milah – were they really true loves? I don’t think there was ever solid proof of that and let us not forget that most cringy of lines… “You lasted longer than I expected. If you’d fought me with such vigor back in the day, I might have returned your wife to you. Soiled…but returned” (Hook to Rumple in season 5, ‘Broken Heart’). Granted that’s just one quote from when Hook was The Dark One (for a hot minute) and I’m sure someone who really wanted to could compile a list of every time Hook has referenced Milah to try and figure out how he really felt about her…but really when was the last time this show was consistent anyway? My take on Hook and Milah at the moment is that they were both unhappy selfish humans who found kindred spirits in each other. Sort of a Rumple and Cora thing. That doesn’t mean he didn’t love her, but I think this ‘true love’ concept from Once seems like a higher less selfish love or something? Like Rumple would absolutely give his life for Baelfire and Belle (cause he did), Charming and Snow would give their lives for one another ect. …but would Hook? Would Milah? Has anyone ever really outlined what True Love really is in Once?
Wish Hook said that his life was the same as regular Hook until the curse was supposed to happen. So based on that, Milah still died. I’m guessing he found somebody else, after Regina failed to cast the curse, and he had his daughter with her.
That someone likely died or abandoned him with his daughter cause all he does is mention his daughter not another woman.
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